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    Posted 2 years ago

    lrizek
    (17 items)

    Picked this up to start a collection of black background with flowers collection, my daughter says it's for old ladies, I love it. Any help is this an antique piece or a reproduction? Thank you for any information, Lynnette

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    1. lrizek lrizek, 2 years ago
      Thank you for your helpful information. I learned a lot from your comments. Yes, on closer look the it's so obvious the black was painted afterwards. This piece will not be the start of a floral on black collection! Again. thank you. Lynnette
    2. truthordare truthordare, 2 years ago
      This is a very interesting set, covered bowl with dish. I think it is late 20th Chinese, and a soup bowl. The way to identify is if the lid saucer fits in the bowl, or does not and overlaps the bowl.

      The tradition is to hold the rice bowl and add pieces of food to it from larger containers, with meat and vegetables. The saucer often contains a small amount of hot sauce or other Chinese condiment.

      The soup bowl is set in the saucer on the table and eaten with a porcelain spoon, or if a broth, held and sipped from the rim.

      I have a large modern 'famille noire' round bowl from the 80s, which also has a floral motif, and is painted black after the flowers were done. It has a red warning on the base in English that says 'not to be used for food consumption'. That was after lead was found in the paint of these pieces which is toxic. It is also crudely made, such as the linked one I have here.

      https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/61094304_decorative-chinese-famille-
      noire-porcelain-bowl

      I think yours could be earlier 20th, because the application of black enamel depended on the quality of the piece, and this happened all along the 20th century.

      Here is another link to a full set, with beautiful detailed millefleurs and black background Chinese porcelain.

      https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/dining-entertaining/porcelain/chinese-famille-noir-mille-fleur-assembled-service/id-f_7403183/
    3. lrizek lrizek, 2 years ago
      T or D, My dish isn't nearly as nice as the set in the link you provided. Now I know what to look for!
    4. truthordare truthordare, 2 years ago
      thank you. Glad my long comment had some value to you.
    5. truthordare truthordare, 2 years ago
      rene,
      a site like this has many members who bring different points of view, different experiences, and different personalities to the group.

      There is no right way or wrong way, or your way and the rest is poorly done in your opinion. You may not realise it but translating texts to English leaves many comments with statements that make no sense when you read them.

      Sorry is you don't like my approach or what I say, we have different knowledge and communication skills. Could we leave it at that?


    6. apostata apostata, 2 months ago
      this is a very strange assessment
      what ought to be a coffee rim is an tomasoup color rim
      qianlong is written in the new way
      this is not an ferro red mark or pseudo ferro red
      actually the mark is dilluted
      the black glazing is to bleech actually i wonder if it is even late republic , because must of them got the so called dogfood mark ( 3 squares at the left under ) , whichis the chinese word for product of

      IMO this is made later then 1949

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