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    Posted 3 months ago

    larksel
    (102 items)

    It is possible that the Teplitz glass lamp shades from the catalog of R.WILLIAMSON & CO., - TEPLITZ GLASS from 1905 (and also from 1909) may be from the production of the Ernst Steinwald & Co. glassworks. So far, it has been attributed to the Pallme Koenig & Habel glassworks. However, the PK&H glassworks is not directly from Teplitz, but from Kosten (Kostany near Teplitz), while the E.S. & Co. is directly from Teplitz. When comparing shapes from the R. Williamson catalog from 1905 and the Ernst Steinwald catalog from the Cornig museum (see: https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/284647-ernst-steinwald-and-kralik-dcors?in=442-activity), I found at least 2 identical or very similar lamp shades. These are numbers 1867 and 3632 (photo 1 - R.Williamson catalog), resp. 2838 and 2991 (photo 2 - Steinwald catalog).
    Another possibility, however, is that the products of several glassworks from the Teplitz area are represented in the R. Williamson catalog.

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    1. truthordare truthordare, 3 months ago
      I think I have a 3rd catalog page from the German glass company Meissner, with these glass lamp shades, this is becoming an indicator of several possibilities.

      https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Meissner-Glasraffinerie-Bele.187+B6YmFja1BJRD0xODcmcHJvZHVjdElEPTc3MDAmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTg3JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
    2. truthordare truthordare, 3 months ago
      Hey Ales, I hope you don't mind but I just got the idea of doing a CW Meissner post, a glass company I researched years ago, which is also very interesting, with the same time period and similar glass products.
    3. philmac51 philmac51, 3 months ago
      I have some difficulty with this. I think these shapes (grapes and fire shades) are very distinctive and in my experience not uncommon on online auction sites, indeed I have seen these many times in antique warehouses and shops here in the UK. I would suspect that these were very popular at the time and copied by many manufacturers.
    4. larksel larksel, 3 months ago
      You're probably right, similar glass shapes were probably made by more glassworks. Some refineries may have ordered glass from glassworks not only for further refining, but perhaps directly for sale in some markets. I think that the Meissner Glasraffinerie could order from nearby glassworks in the Teplitz area.
    5. truthordare truthordare, 3 months ago
      That is what I also came to conclude, as if you look at the other pages of Meissner glass catalog, you may find more Bohemian/Czech glass boudoir lamps from various companies.

      Reason why I had an interest in their history and production or wholesale glass goods offered.
    6. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 months ago
      The dates are important too. The Williamson page is from 1905 and the Steinwald from c. 1930.
    7. Bambus1920 Bambus1920, 3 months ago
      Ales, I have several photos of lamp shades attributed to P-K at Passau.
      PM me if you need copies.
    8. larksel larksel, 3 months ago
      Please send me photos to: info@bohemianglass.org
    9. truthordare truthordare, 3 months ago
      guess you don't care for my idea about a Meissner post Ales?
    10. larksel larksel, 3 months ago
      This is probably a misunderstanding. Of course, I'll be happy if you publish a post about Meissner Glasraffinerie.
    11. Project_Harrach Project_Harrach, 3 months ago
      Ales why couldn't the glass shown in the catalogs be from multiple manufacturers, and potentially from Teplitz as well as other areas ?

      When I spent two summers at the Harrach Glassworks digitally archiving their design books, one interesting bit that I uncovered was that Harrach was making glass for a lot of other major glass houses abroad.
    12. Project_Harrach Project_Harrach, 3 months ago
      To add to my comment above, here's just a couple of the glassworks that I uncovered Harrach doing contract work for (outsourcing is nothing new is it?):

      Legras, France and F.& C. Osler, England
    13. truthordare truthordare, 3 months ago
      Legras makes a lot of sense, as we have noticed this before in their own catalogs, containing pieces of Harrach and other Bohemian glass.
    14. larksel larksel, 3 months ago
      Yes, the Williamson catalog certainly includes the products of several glassworks not only from the Teplitz area. For the purposes of glass identification, only catalogs of specific glassworks, fewer glass refineries and even fewer glass dealers are usable. And it is clear that even then, glass was sold under the glassworks' brand, even though it was made by another glassworks.
      I'm trying to find at least some sources that would reveal at least some of the production of the Ernst Steinwald and Franz Tomschick glassworks. Through catalogs lamp shades it probably will not.
    15. glassiegirl glassiegirl, 3 months ago
      Interesting how the embossed "flame" and "grape" shades were also produced as vases with an applied tripod base. The embossed "flame" vase is identified in the Hosch catalog featuring (all) Kralik so there is another contender who produced the same design. Without the applied tripod bases on these vases, could the vases been also used a shade? Who knows, but the similarities found in the flame and grape design are remarkable when compared to these catalog (lamp shade) pages.

      https://www.antiquers.com/attachments/new-meteror-3-jpg.1697/

      https://gramho.com/media/1945146758394280699
      https://d3h6k4kfl8m9p0.cloudfront.net/stories/aXPy6XuTQOpszh.M3mP1Vw.jpeg
    16. larksel larksel, 3 months ago
      It's a vicious circle. The Hosch catalog includes the products of the Kralik glassworks, as well as other glassworks (Loetz, Pallme Koenig and it also seems Steinwald).
    17. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 months ago
      Just wondering if you have seen this on the Glashüttenwerk Steinhügel aka Augustinka in Kosten bei Teplitz / Kostany ???

      http://koda.kominari.cz/?action=karta&cislo=A97

      The Franz Tomschick factory there dates back to 1901 in his hands but was founded In 1873.
    18. larksel larksel, 3 months ago
      The "Augustinka" glassworks on Kamenný pahorek (Steinhügel) in Koš?any (Kosten) is another big unknown to me. I have preliminarily assigned a few pieces to the production of this glassworks, but it's more of an intuition. I hope that sometimes I can clarify it at least a little.
      https://www.bohemianglass.org/katalog/tomschick/
    19. glassiegirl glassiegirl, 3 months ago
      Fwiw, the source of the Hosch catalog I am referring to is the only Hosch catalog claimed as all Kralik. No other contenders found, and the publication date is unknown. This was the catalog that was shown to Jitka some years ago. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Czech-Glass-Kralik-Glassworks-Bohemian-2014-Revised-introduction/371120159738?hash=item56687c3bfa:g:N4gAAOSwVFlT5-2s
    20. welzebub, 3 months ago
      In an effort to make sure people are not misinformed, the publication being referred to as a Hosch Catalog in comment 19, is actually a catalog showing Kralik production. The provided link in that comment takes you to a West Virginia Museum of Glass offering for Monograph 59.

      The forward for Monograph 59, revised in 2014, simply clarifies that it is all Kralik production, and also revealed the hand written dedication in the catalog was done by Siegfried Kralik.

      The catalog (Monograph 59) is not, and has never been associated with the refiner and exporter Hosch.
    21. glassiegirl glassiegirl, 3 months ago
      I understand the Monograpgh catalog was revised back in 2014, after the conversation with Jitka when she claimed the entirety as Kralik. With Al writing the fore note on both WVMOAG Monograpgh catalogs, why did he reference the catalog as Hosch in past conversations during the "Glasshound" years? which is my explanation where my understanding comes from for calling the catalog Hosch/Kralik. Not my intentions to misinform information of course, and don't mind owning my mistake, but with bringing up that point, I am confused with my own understanding with what was originally considered as the catalog being Hosch/Kralik. What changed?
    22. welzebub, 3 months ago
      Nothing changed. As far as I am aware, the catalog (Monograph 59) has never been considered to be Hosch. You may have misunderstood what Alfredo said, or he may have mis-spoken. I would have no way of knowing. I simply know that the catalog has never been associated with Hosch.

      The original forward claimed that it was an unknown catalog, and did not identify it all as Kralik production. That changed in 2014 when the forward was revised after Jitka identified it as Kralik production, and Ian Thompson determined the writing in it to be signed by Siegfried Kralik.
    23. glassiegirl glassiegirl, 3 months ago
      Thanks, for the clarification.
    24. truthordare truthordare, 3 months ago
      Ales, your image on the right also includes images from the Meissen Glass Catalog, I have found a connection between Meissen and Meisner on a website for the American research institution, and museum complex, The Smithsonian in Washington D.C.

      They have a German text, with both companies mentioned together in German in a trade catalog for 1927 for glass lamps, which is also available to down load as a .pdf file. I can share the information.
    25. truthordare truthordare, 3 months ago
      Look at this:
      https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bX4AAOSwa3tfIwjN/s-l1600.jpg

      An early Kralik frit and green glass line application, with a green glass footed base. These versions were sold in the Butler Brothers Catalog pages of 1915.

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