Share your favorites on Show & Tell

Please help me identify this creamer and bowl!

In China and Dinnerware > Rosenthal China > Show & Tell.
Curious_George's items2 of 2City of Victoria Centennial Tea Cup and Saucer setCity of Victoria Centennial Tea Cup and Saucer set
8
Love it
0
Like it

dav2no1dav2no1 loves this.
gargoylecollectorgargoylecollector loves this.
Vynil33rpmVynil33rpm loves this.
vetraio50vetraio50 loves this.
jscott0363jscott0363 loves this.
fortapachefortapache loves this.
NewfldNewfld loves this.
MarmorealMaidenMarmorealMaiden loves this.
See 6 more
Add to collection

    Please create an account, or Log in here

    If you don't have an account, create one here.


    Create a Show & TellReport as inappropriate


    Posted 8 months ago

    Curious_Ge…
    (2 items)

    I recently acquired this piece from a collection I came across and cannot find another like it. If any collectors out there can help me identify it’s maker and year it was produced that would be fantastic.

    Thank you!

    Unsolved Mystery

    Help us close this case. Add your knowledge below.

    logo
    Rosenthal China
    See all
    Bjorn Wiinblad Rosenthal Crystal Christmas Plate 1980 Weihnachten Signed
    Bjorn Wiinblad Rosenthal Crystal Ch...
    $50
    artist signed vintage ROSENTHAL PORCELAIN VASE MEMPHIS STYLE ABSTRACT MODERNIST
    artist signed vintage ROSENTHAL POR...
    $49
    Rosenthal Studio Line Bjorn Wiinblad 1001 Nights Dessert Salad Plate
    Rosenthal Studio Line Bjorn Wiinbla...
    $45
    MCM Lava Vase compote Art Pottery Italy Bitossi Raymor or Aldo Londi Rosenthal
    MCM Lava Vase compote Art Pottery I...
    $46
    logo
    Bjorn Wiinblad Rosenthal Crystal Christmas Plate 1980 Weihnachten Signed
    Bjorn Wiinblad Rosenthal Crystal Ch...
    $50
    See all

    Comments

    1. MarmorealMaiden MarmorealMaiden, 8 months ago
      These are, I do believe, two pieces from a circa 1930s Rosenthal set. From which line or collection, though, I have not the slightest idea.
    2. Newfld Newfld, 8 months ago
      Lovely set, the rabbit pattern is beautiful
    3. keramikos, 8 months ago
      Hi, Curious_George. :-)

      Love the bunnies.

      With regard to the Rosenthal marks on the bottom of the pitcher, the nearest I could find is this one from 1907:

      http://www.rosenthalvasecatalog.com/pb/wp_8644c107/images/img835151cb744eaff83.jpeg

      http://www.rosenthalvasecatalog.com/pb/wp_8644c107/wp_8644c107.html

      As to the "gesetzlich geschützt" marking:

      *snip*

      The bottom gesetzlich geschützt means that the form or design of the item itself was copyrighted.

      *snip*

      https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling-Q-A/Who-or-What-signed-this-and-What-does-it-say/qaq-p/28615496

      Indeed, Google Translate renders "gesetzlich geschützt" as "protected by law":

      https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=gesetzlich%20gesch%C3%BCtzt&op=translate

      The fact that there is no marking indicating the COO (Country of Origin) does suggest that the pitcher was made prior to the law requiring that information.

      However, that sole "Ward" marking on the bottom of the bowl seems quite curious. FYI, I didn't find an artist by that name who worked for Rosenthal:

      https://www.rosenthal.de/en/info/company/the-rosenthal-company/designer-en/

      http://www.collectrosenthal.com/designers.html
    4. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 months ago
      I think they are porcelain blanks that have been used by an artist called Ward. Might be D. Ward. Or D. A. Ward. Examples of Painting on Porcelain or China Painting.
    5. keramikos, 8 months ago
      vetraio50, Very interesting. };-)

      The rabbits on both pieces do have a stylistic similarity. I wonder if an artist who had no contractual relationship with Rosenthal might have put the Rosenthal mark on the cream pitcher.

      It's not exactly grand theft auto, but it would be a crime if they'd tried to sell the piece as Rosenthal, wouldn't it?
    6. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 months ago
      Rosenthal blanks were certainly one of the preferred blanks for China Painters here in Oz and in the US too I think in the early 20th century. It was quite a thing for a middle class lady or gentleman. That is an original Rosenthal mark and would give an approximate date for the items. They both look by the same hand, but I might be wrong there.
    7. keramikos, 8 months ago
      vetraio50, Fascinating. :-)

      Like the china painting mentioned in vintage novels.

      Here are some Rosenthal pieces described as blanks:

      *snip*

      Rosenthal VERSAILLES Porcelain Cream Pitcher Sugar Bowl w Lid GERMANY Blanks. Condition is "Used".

      Blanks were sent to the markets for women to buy and paint. Many pieces you see online are painted by well talented hobbyist.

      Bavarian “blanks” for hobbyist painting. They are finished, because they are decorated at home by “cold painting” them.

      Sold all over Europe and the Americas.

      Keramic Studio magazine presented design motifs for women of leisure to utilize.

      *snip*

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosenthal-VERSAILLES-Porcelain-Cream-Pitcher-Sugar-Bowl-Lid-GERMANY-Blanks-/233811459365

      A hand-painted Rosenthal Versailles cream pitcher:

      *snip*

      Rosenthal Versailles Handpainted Porcelain Pitcher. This is a lovely handpainted porcelain pitcher in cream with pretty pink and yellow roses with the initials J.E.B.

      This lovely handled pitcher has pale green edging along the top and bottom while the ruffled rim is trimmed in gold. This delicate pitcher is about 4 inches tall and about 4 inches wide from handle tip to spout tip.

      The bottom bears the identifying mark of the Philip Rosenthal & Company Porcelain Factory.

      *snip*

      https://www.etsy.com/listing/690449486/rosenthal-versailles-handpainted

      An R C Rosenthal Continental Versailles cream pitcher with a portrait from Rembrandt (that part doesn't look cold-painted), and trimmed with gold (that part probably is cold-painted):

      *snip*

      R C Rosenthal Germany
      Continental Versailles
      Portrait from Rembrandt
      Creamer

      *snip*

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/303922214001
    8. keramikos, 8 months ago
      Just following up a bit. I knew that hand-painting china as a hobby was a 'thing' in the 19th century, but somehow I hadn't thought about Rosenthal providing blanks.

      Indeed, why would they not? The wife of the founder herself engaged in hand-painting china:

      *snip*

      Phillip Rosenthal explained this when he recounted why his namesake porcelain firm chose to work exclusively with artists and designers devoted to creating the original designs of their time. “Throughout history, works of art and purely functional objects retain their cultural and material value only when they reflect the spirit of their age…imitations never achieve this,” Rosenthal proclaimed.

      Though Rosenthal China seems on the surface to represent many styles—formal and classic to pop-art and clean minimalism—the firm has insisted from the start on setting trends and breaking with tradition. Maria Rosenthal’s success in hand painting Hutschenreuther china in the 1880s led her and her husband to set up their own factory around 1890, eclipsing the competition’s tired Victorian revival styles by introducing elegant, fresh Art Nouveau porcelaintableware blanks. Moss Rose, Diplomat and other early Rosenthal floral lines seem fancy and traditional now, but only because they were trend-setters whose success compelled much mimicry.

      *snip*

      http://www.myantiquemall.com/rosenthaldinnerwaresetvintageantiqueporcelain/rosenthaldinnerwaresetvintageantiqueporcelain.html

      https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/woch/hd_woch.htm

      https://www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/hist/cadeau/cachi01e.html

      Here's that same Rosenthal back stamp from Wikipedia, which describes it as being of around 1900 origin:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marque,_signature,_firme_Rosenthal,_vers_1900.JPG
    9. Curious_George, 8 months ago
      Hello everybody! Thank you very much for your very helpful answers! I wasn’t expecting such a turnout. This amazing set will adorn my mantle for years to come!

      Cheers
    10. keramikos, 8 months ago
      Curious_George, You're welcome. I'm glad vetraio50 spoke up about the Rosenthal blanks. :-)

    Want to post a comment?

    Create an account or login in order to post a comment.