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Two Japanese tetsu kyusu by Oigen for Joyce Chen

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    Posted 4 months ago

    kwqd
    (826 items)

    The Japanese tetsu kyusu in the first two images are both "New, Old Stock" pots, one with box and one without. They are close but not identical in dimensions and weight. Both are roughly 2.25" high and 3.75" in diameter, minus lid, handle and spout. The boxed pot's weight is 1 lb 10 ounces and the pot with no box weighs 1 lb 8 ounces, which is a pretty big difference. Both hold about 8 ounces of water. Both pots were made at the Oigen foundry. The pot in the first image is shown in images three and four.

    There are minor finish differences between the two pots. The boxed pot has a different texture on the top of the lid and a thick urushi coating on the bottom of the lid. The pot with no box has the urushi finish on the lid which is applied as part of the initial finishing of the exterior without the following thick application of urushi. The finish on the exterior of the boxed pot is completely matte, while the pot with no box has a shiny finish on the lid top, handle and spout and a silver/gray finish to the body. The pot with no box has the same Joyce Chen label on the bottom and hanging tag as on the boxed pot.

    The boxed pot was about $30 shipped. The seller was asking $30 for it and I made them an offer of $15 which they accepted. The pot with no box was $18 shipped.

    This was an experiment. The seller did not show the foundry mark in their images for the pot with no box and I was curious to see if the pots had been made by the same foundry as they had some subtle differences. I was also interested to see if the dimensions and weight were the same since JC advertised them as "handmade". I was somewhat surprised to find that, yes, these pots are hand made, not created from stock molds, and finished at the discretion of the artisan, or maybe at the direction of a supervisor. Nice.

    Two pots made for a pretty cluttered post, but I did not think two posts were warranted and comparing the pots would be easier in one post. Third image contains comparison of the lids from both pots. The urushi lining of the pots was close enough that I did not think it worth squeezing in another image.

    BTW, the boxed pot had a lot of rust all over the pot but I thought, since is was basically new, the rust would be light and just from sitting on a shelf for some number of years. The rust was easily removed with a paper towel, but I think I will need to be used and wiped down with green tea to prevent it from recurring.

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    1. PhilDMorris PhilDMorris, 4 months ago
      There was Black Beauty and then there is this gem, beautiful as only these pictures are of this masterpiece. Its much like pottery when it is fired, you never know what size as they all differ. A lot of companies seem to be going as they did in the 40's, no one kept records then and much like today it seems the same.
    2. Newfld Newfld, 4 months ago
      Your Chen pots are all so beautiful Kevin, you have such a great collection
    3. kwqd kwqd, 4 months ago
      Thanks for your comments, PhilDMorris! The Japanese make nice teapots, for sure! They place much more stock in their cast iron than in their art glass, so I have to believe there is knowledge of these makers recorded somewhere. That being said, I think that I know more about nanbu tekki than most of the sellers in Japan who I have worked with.
    4. kwqd kwqd, 4 months ago
      Thanks, Jenni! I am going to have to find a new way to display them as I am out of space in my current shelving.... That is part of the attraction of the boxed pots I have been buying lately!
    5. Ms.CrystalShip Ms.CrystalShip, 4 months ago
      Wow, you offered 1/2 price and they accepted! Yay! These black tea pots are beautiful!
      You know your stuff, if I saw one all rusted I probably would of passed, but knowing how to clean the rust off turned it “PRISTINE”. Good going….
      Time for another shelf? :)
    6. kwqd kwqd, 4 months ago
      Thanks for your comments, Eileen! If a pot has never been used, chances are rust on it is very thin, unless it has be stored in a damp environment. I took a chance and it worked out this time. Yeah, at least one more shelf, deeper with more shelves and on wheels so I can move it around. Pot purchases are pretty much on hold until I get another one. Luckily I have a half dozen pots that I have not posted to CW.

      Thanks for loving my latest pots Eileen, Watchsearcher, Kevin, Vynil33rpm and jscott0363!
    7. kwqd kwqd, 4 months ago
      Thanks for checking out my latest (?) testsu kyusu Thomas, mikelv85, BHIFOS and fortapache! Pretty sure these are my most recent purchases! I have a lot going on right now and am living in a time warp!
    8. PhilDMorris PhilDMorris, 4 months ago
      Saw this, session 1 first page: has similar pot !!
      https://www.icollector.com/Another-Great-Two-Day-Auction_as74465
    9. kwqd kwqd, 4 months ago
      That is a Chinese copy, PhilDMorris. It is a good example of a common Chinese marked pot!
    10. PhilDMorris PhilDMorris, 4 months ago
      Thanks kw, I thought you would know, but I did not know its worth or desirability !~
    11. kwqd kwqd, 4 months ago
      Yeah, I would not buy it! If you are looking for one, I can keep an eye out for a good deal for you, if you contact me through the email address on my art collection web site, which link is in my CW biography....

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