Posted 2 years ago
sklo42
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These came to me from The Channel Islands via ebay UK and the Royal Mail (a UK postal service). However The Channel islands are much nearer to France than England. So when the seller said they were French, and Aesthetic Movement, I thought maybe. About a week later another pair, same size, same shape but this time on a turquoise ground, appeared on ebay UK claiming the same origins. I'm still not convinced and wonder whether anyone here could throw any light on their origins.
The glass is very glossy with gilding, high relief enamelling and a dotted trim to emphasise the shape. The bases have indents at the four corners which are irregular for either bun feet or a metal stand.
Height 11 cm./4.25 inches
A quick search I saw a square pair, but in black..said.."Antique Thomas Webb Enameled Black Amethyst Glass Vase c1875"
This is a round one that has similar decorations to the ones I mentioned..
https://www.rubylane.com/item/518922-sac5/Antique-Thomas-Webb-Enameled-Black-Amethyst
Here's a picture of the ones that sold...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Antique+Thomas+Webb+Enameled+square+Black+Amethyst+Glass+Vase+c1875&client=ms-android-verizon&prmd=simvn&sxsrf=APq-WBvk5K7V44yz0kn4V-kQPey-oEHSwA:1646844148944&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSuf3DvLn2AhW2JkQIHRArDRIQ_AUoAnoECAIQAg&biw=384&bih=717&dpr=2.81#imgrc=SOBoCjDqLy8-LM
It is very interesting. I have the same or very similar vase in a larger design - 23.5 cm. I bought it as Harrach. So far, I haven't been able to verify it, but I haven't refuted it either.
https://www.bohemianglass.org/katalog/vaza-na-4-nozkach-malovane-opalove-sklo-2255/detail/
davno1, thank you for the links. Very interesting. I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at them being Webb. Two or three of the pieces in the links I've seen ID'd as Harrach and one is Welz. I myself have come across one on a turquoise ground being referred to as 'Aesthetic Movement'. I have to say I have only a hazy idea of what the Aesthetic Movement is! I've put that one with my images for lack of any where else. I think it's good to find it in several colourways as that suggests a larger maker. Again, thank you.
larksel, thank you for your link too. The design on your version is so similar yet quite different in shape. That makes me wonder whether one maker used another's design on moulds already in stock. You can't imagine the gilded cross in the middle of bird and foliage occurring spontaneously in two different minds. So another puzzle to mull over!
these are cool, and they do appear to be 19th c.
ho2cultcha, thank you, much appreciated!
Yeah it was just a start to search from..I never believe everything on the net without multiple sources..
Ha ha..we were selling at the fleamarket this weekend.. I had a blown glass bird for $10. Lady is looking and I see her use her phone. She buys it and says "I love murano glass". I had already told her it was not. She probably saw some bogus ebay ad..
From 1860 to 1900, the Aesthetic Movement initiated sweeping artistic and design changes and its modern concepts of middle-class lifestyle and domestic environment reverberate even into our own time.
I had posted a plate of the aesthetic movement, at least one...you konw the definition of a musuem https://www.kirklandmuseum.org/collections/aesthetic/:
Aesthetic Movement, about 1865-1900
The Aesthetic Movement, which began in England, was a reaction against Victorian decoration. Unlike proponents of the Arts & Crafts Movement, members of the Aesthetic Movement believed that art did not have to convey moral messages. They focused instead on the idea of a cult of beauty and believed art should provide refined pleasure. Life, they asserted, should emulate art. The most pervasive (though not the only) stylistic influence on Aestheticism was Japonisme, a fascination with the artistic motifs of Japan. Pots were made in traditional Western shapes but were decorated with Japanese blossoms, pine branches, birds and other natural forms. The understated and simplified decoration was a contrast to the profusely decorated Victorian furnishings and anticipated modernism.
I had seen a lot of porcelain of the second half of the XIX century told to be aesthetic only becaus they have birds, reeds and vines..... I do not agree with this.
It must have some modernistic touch (a draw inside anoder, some geometric feature besides the naturalistic theme...)
mine plate is here https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/131182-aesthetic-bishop-and-stonier-wonderful-pla
anyway this pair of vases for me are wonderful
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/131213-aesthetic-bird-plates-impressed-and-hand
I posted this, more similar motif to yours, but now after 8 years I do not believe they must be clasified as being exponents of the aesthetic movement
You know I adore birds and insects...
kivatinitz, thank you too for a veritable wealth of information, Sylvia, here and on the link to your gorgeous plate.