Posted 12 years ago
monkeyhead
(6 items)
i am trying to find out what the crest means. this ring dates back around 1870s ,it is in our family over 40 years .it is 17.5grams ,14ct bloodstone. inscription on the ring; nihil nisi cruce, nothing but the cross, i would like to thank the gentleman who helped me with cruce before my page was deleated,
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It means nothing unless by the cross or nothing, nothing except by the cross there are few translations with the same meaning.
nil nisi cruce is the common.
nihil nisi cruce was another branch of the family.
Beresford name.
It seems like the crest on the ring is more of a translation. He is holding the cross. Someone must of depicted the meaning.
That should say nothing unless by the cross or nothing except by the cross
thank you jmack,
thank you ar8jason for your help last night
about 10 years ago a friend of a friend was looking at the ring and made some comment about knights templar ,he has since passed away.
As far as I know 14ct is an English mark.
check out new pictures above
it is 14 with a circle around it
nihil nisi cruce is william carr beresford motto 1768 1856
i cannot retrive them links
Wow... The information regarding he crest is interesting... Enjoyed the above conversation..
Thanks.. ;-)
thank you again ar8jason
can anybody put a date on this ring, i could be wrong saying 1870s
What are the marks next to .585?
i posted a new picture of the marks
thank you for that. now back to the drawing board
Yea I still cant make out the marks clearly..Is the middle symbol a open circle with a line under it. If so can you describe the others
i should have thought of this earlier,the top mark might not be 100 percent.
Just messing around with the hallmark wizard. It seems that...
14 .585 mark would have been hallmarked prior to 1974. If you noticed the box around the .585 on your ring is inverted on one side. This is an import mark, it seems only London, Sheffield, Birmingham used that exact mark. So it was imported into the UK and stamped in one of these regions.
The second symbol would be which one of those essay offices. Problem is I haven't seen that symbol. Figuring that out would solve it though.
The letter ( A ) would mark the year. Kind of tricky but it most resembles lettering from 1950s or 1970s
Its a start, figuring out that mark would go a long way
this is a good picture of the hallmark.
This is an interesting assay mark. I think it is Irish and it bears the import mark for Dublin. The marks I see are a) the boujet (the Boujet is the formal name for the symbol used by the Dublin Assay Office after 1906, before that it was the shamrock)
b) a date letter "a" for 1968
c) 14 for karatage
d).585 for fineness.
It was fairly new when it came into your family 40 years ago.
As regards the Latin: sine = without, nisi = unless
Nothing without the cross (nihil sine cruce)
Nothing unless by the cross (nihil nisi cruce)
Slight nuance in the meaning.
The Irish connection continues with the motto.
As AR8Jason's citation points out the motto is that of the Barons Decies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Decies
The Baron Decies also has the title Marquess of Waterford.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Waterford
Are you related to the Beresfords?
Are you from Waterford?
Nice Vetraio50
So the what we thought was an (A) the last mark is actually a boujet.
The middle mark is a lower case (a)
I learned a lot with this ring. I think i have British Hallmarks down.
i am no relation to the beresfords and 100 miles from waterford. thank you all for the help.