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    Posted 12 years ago

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    Last night I went to an auction and purchased this lovely light. I came home and started to identify it. I found a similar lamp online (unsigned) but in the Handel book, thus identified. Just curious if some of Handels works were/went unsigned. Also curious if just light bulbs went in the 4 hanging sockets. It has 4 paddle Yost light sockets underneith the shade.
    Does anyone know if I should be looking at the glass for a signature.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    1. JohannB JohannB, 12 years ago
      Yes, Handel did make unsigned shades and this makes ones like this one hard to identify. The Bent Glass Novelty Co. of the same period made shades in this style as well. Another maker that did some similar is Albert Sechrist. I had one very much like this one that I put on a large Handel base and it looked good. Your hanging hardware is period and similar to what Handel would use, but many makers could have used the same. My opinion is that it is Handel.
    2. FloridaTreasures FloridaTreasures, 12 years ago
      That you very much for your help. I stumbled across a lamp here. It definately looks like the one I have, and is attributed to Handel. Just wish there were a few more pictures that I could see if that one has a large ceiling hanger and 4 lights attached.

      Will keep looking though ~ Once again thank you!
    3. JohannB JohannB, 12 years ago
      This base would look great with your shade.
      Notice the detail on the bottom that matches.
    4. FloridaTreasures FloridaTreasures, 12 years ago
      It very beautiful... I wonder if it would hold a 22 pound shade? I contacted Jacksons Auctions and the place I went to (where I purchased this on Frida) see if they could help me in my search for some more answers.. Hopefully (fingers crossed) I'll hear back:-)
    5. FloridaTreasures FloridaTreasures, 12 years ago
      on looking further, the lamp shade was repaired in the past. . and may be rewired... funny thing is, the wiring is white - like aluminum - not copper.
    6. FloridaTreasures FloridaTreasures, 12 years ago
      here's the link to the one that is like the one I have. . mine might be a variation of that one.
    7. JohannB JohannB, 12 years ago
      The base would support the shade. I like yours better than the one at There is another one at
    8. JohannB JohannB, 12 years ago
      If you take the shade holder off, there may be a signature on the fitter rim.
    9. FloridaTreasures FloridaTreasures, 12 years ago
      Hi - thanks again for the links. The one on the leadedlamps co. does look closely identical to the handel in the catalog and
      I think I have a variation on the theme. Just wish I could see a catalog. I am thinking about taking the top hanger off. tried it last night.. but stopped short, as I wasn't sure if I could get it put back on/together properly. The auctioneer is going to be calling the home of the estate to ask about any covers or globes for the hanging 4 sockets, which seem to bear mark made from slip on covers or domes, although they are probably very lightweight because there is no way to connect them to the metal part surrounding the socket. The mystery continues:-)
    10. FloridaTreasures FloridaTreasures, 12 years ago
      I think I found the same chandelier - attributed to Handel here. It, however doesn't show the ceiling dome - so not sure if it is exactly the same -
    11. lamp_collector, 12 years ago
      I would lean to American Bent Glass of Hartford, ct. in the 20's - 30's. Many of us Handel dealers only respect Handel overlays and reverse painted lamps Dunderheads put leaded shades on Handel bases and pass them off as Handel on ebay all the time with dopes paying thousands for nothing. they have to sell them on ebay as not respcctful auction would take them on with any kind of estimate other than an estimate for the base. If you want a Handel with leaded shade go only for the overlays that have some leading in some models. They did not MAKE Tiffany style shades PERIOD
    12. FloridaTreasures FloridaTreasures, 12 years ago
      Hello -
      I had someone, a lamp person, come by last month to look at it. He opened up the light, which revealed the socketry. It is pre-1910. There are many examples, in 2 different books regarding this shade, marked examples, nearly identical. Believe me, I've looked into this light for months. I appreciate your input, and will take a look when I have some time.

      This is the information that I found -
      Sockets in the upper hanging drop lights are marked P&S PAT JAN 27'03
      Also marked 250V-50CP

      Sockets prior to about 1910 used CP - candle power - insignia for identification.

      Candlepower info from an online site -

      Until about 1910, light bulbs were rated and sold by Candle Power rather than Watts. Since there were very few electrical appliances in most homes other than lights, even light sockets and other paraphernalia were rated in Candle Power rather than Watts. One way to identify very old light sockets is to see if they are imprinted with "50 CP" rather than "250 Watts." In the nineteenth century Edison rated his generators in candlepower rather than watts. This provided a rather simple method of sizing systems since the only devices you would generally power were 8 or 16 CP lamps.

      I also found the socket patent for P & S from Jan 27, 1903 online. I did hours of internet digging for this. but found it. I have links to the patent information.

      P&S - Pass & Seymour Co. founded in 1890 in NY. Handel opened another shop in New York about 1905.

      Don's Lamps and antiques online -35 year collector of Handel Lamp, Lights and seller.

      - he says "YOST sockets were used on high grade antique lamps like TIFFANY , WILKINSON , SUESS, HANDEL and others."

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