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Posted 5 years ago


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This is a very interesting little piece I found the other day. I was so sure it was silver so I bought it, but now I am not so sure. The reason being...the mark on the bottom looks like an "84". I was guessing this was Russian quality mark, but I do not see any other markings. I cannot tell if some parts are damage (scratches, nicks, dents etc.) or some other type of mark.

Then I start thinking...maybe it is silver plate? I hope someone can tell me about it. This is a tiny piece.

1 1/2 inches diameter at the largest, and .8 oz/24 grams.


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  1. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
    A bit of a tease, I think. There are three possibilities.
    Russian or Persian silver.
    French silver plate. That punch mark at the top right hand corner is where the lower case tiny, tiny 'g' would be.
    But then the engraved EP in Cyrillic might suggest the Russian, Persian possibility.
  2. BHock45 BHock45, 5 years ago
    thanks vetraio50. I was thinking along the same lines. However, I am not sure about the engraved EP. Why may that suggest Russian/Persian? The type of script? have a great day!
  3. BHock45 BHock45, 5 years ago
    My understanding is that French silver plate is stamped on the front or inside of a piece as opposed to the back or bottom. I guess there are exceptions though.
  4. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
    Hi BHock. The letters are in the Russian Cyrillic alphabet, I think. First letter E and the second one a Russian P. There were contacts between Persia and Iran since 1592.–Russia_relations
    The connection and the 84 mark is discussed here:

    I suppose the other thing to note is that you'd expect more than just 84 on Russian and on Persian pieces, Cyrillic or Farsi.
  5. BHock45 BHock45, 5 years ago
    Hi vetraio50. Thanx again for all of your help. I am wondering what is the function of this piece? Is it a shot glass? It is very small. No larger than 1 1/2 inches in any direction. As far as the other marks go. I'm going to try to take a good photo of what may be A worn down hallmark. But I doubt it's more that a scratch or dent. Thanks!
  6. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
    Hi, again. I think it might be in the shape of a 'salt'.
    Salts are normally gold filled on the inside but not always.
    Salt and silver don't miswell, sugar either it seems.
  7. kivatinitz kivatinitz, 2 years ago
    perhaps it was lidded another possibility is polland

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