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    Posted 8 years ago

    LOUMANAL
    (425 items)

    Many years ago I was given this Pewter Jug by an elderly lady who emigrated from Holland to Canada in the 1950's. She had many Pewter items that were family heirlooms that had been handed down many generations. I remember especially liking an old Pewter oil lamp that had a tiny fancy lid and a thick wick that extended from a spout. When she passed away, she requested that I be given her favorite item, this old Pewter Jug. I always assumed that it originated from Holland but I have never been able to decipher the three marks underbase. It has a slender spout that I was told was so that wine residue would stay in the bottom of the jug and only the clear wine would flow out, like a decanter. It measures 8 1/4" to the top of the lid stopper and 10" from spout to handle. Any one recognize the marks or the age of this Pewter item? Thanks, RER (LOUMANAL)

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    1. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      Seems to be a combination of symbols of the VOC (Dutch East India Co.). The lower right appears to be the VOC rampant lion which usually had the crown over it (as in center cartouche) & sometimes the "A" for Amersterdam. I have seen the trumpet cartouche also but don't remember where but don't tie it to that age. Since the symbols are old, they might be used by more recent makers. Goggle "VOC rampant lion" & see what you think. The (angel+trumpet) I'll leave with you to research.
    2. LOUMANAL LOUMANAL, 8 years ago
      Thanks blunderbuss2! I will look up the information you suggested. Are you saying that these old symbols have been reused on newer wares (reproductions)? The A could be for Amsterdam...that's quite possible knowing the person who owned this. RER (LOUMANAL) Thanks mustangtony for the love.
    3. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      I did not say that newer wares used the old symbols. Don't invent now. I'm just saying that there is no existing copyright on their cartouches! Yours appears to be original but it would take somebody more versed than me to say positively with a visual inspection. The VOC was insolvent about 1799 & basically "tits-up" by 1814. The Brits "nicked" everything they could, as Brits do. The VOC cartouche is sometimes shown with the rampant lion in the shield with the crown(you show) over it & wavy lives under(for water/seas) plus often the "A" Somewhere overhead. My research(because of my dutch blunderbuss) shows diff. configurations. A large "V" with an "o" in the lft. arm & a "c" in the right arm of the V with an "A" overhead was common. My opinion is that your pitcher was made in Europe/Holland for trade elsewhere. This exhausted my knowledge for now & it is up to you to follow-up on your item. I'm trying to figure out the markings on my blunderbuss.
    4. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      Hit a few sites & the angel is common for dutch but my brief look didn't mention trumpet. Going to bed & it's up to you now.
    5. LOUMANAL LOUMANAL, 8 years ago
      I never invent... I appreciate... I learn!! I couldn't figure the VOC connection based on these marks and the Angel with trumpet mark apparently denotes high quality of the pewter. In Silver, it is the Lion Passant (rampant) that denotes high quality. There aren't too many sites with Pewter marks but lots with Gold and Silver marks. Thanks for your input blunderbuss2!! RER (LOUMANAL)
    6. LOUMANAL LOUMANAL, 8 years ago
      Thanks for the Love BELLIN68 and mustangtony! RER
    7. Artiqs, 7 years ago
      I got a half dozen books on pewter to try to find an angel-with-horn mark on an old covered pitcher with a hinged beer-stein-like hinged top. The closest mark I could find is Swiss, and there were a few other Swiss marks similar. Also, there were other pieces with a similar shape as my pitcher which were also Swiss.
      Want to discuss further? Contact me. There's no way to attach photos here or I would! Peter at ARTIQS® eBay store.
    8. LOUMANAL LOUMANAL, 7 years ago
      Hi Peter! I will contact you since I am very interested in this item. What is the angel holding in it's right hand in your books...a Flower? Thanks, BOB
    9. Artiqs, 7 years ago
      I will have to find my pewter marks book. Meanwhile, how can I send photos? My pitcher's mark is a vertical oval about 1/2 inch, angel facing left as in yours, blowing upward-curved horn, holding a downward-sweeping evergreen(?) branch in other (L) hand, with a capital I in left side of oval. A sweet mark, smooth from wear. Spent days looking, couldn't find. Sometimes I list things really high in eBay store till lots of people can see and comment, so I can find out stuff.
      Pete
    10. Artiqs, 7 years ago
      Here's an online Swiss antique plate with angel marks: https://www.junkables.com/jimages/memproductimages/large/2896/EB_2373%20Antique%20pewter%20charger%20Ca.1700%5C's.jpg
      Pete
    11. Artiqs, 7 years ago
      (not very similar to my pitcher's mark, however)
      Pete
    12. LOUMANAL LOUMANAL, 7 years ago
      Artiqs...I tried to contact you through eBay but I have been unsuccessful . You can send me a photo through my email: rer1@sympatico.ca BOB
    13. Redver, 6 years ago
      To Loumanal "There aren't too many sites with Pewter marks" How wrong can you be? Join the Pewter Society http://www.pewtersociety.org/ or access http://www.pewterbank.com/ all the know Pewter marks are on these sites & as pewter has been in use for a thousand years there are a lot of marks !!!
    14. LOUMANAL LOUMANAL, 6 years ago
      Redver! I'm almost sorry that I hadn't been able to find the sites you listed two years ago. Were you able to specifically identify the marks on this can? I would truly appreciate your professional/knowledgeable opinion . RER(BOB)

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