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Fraternal Medals41 of 59G.U.G. GermaniaEarly 1903 Elks Lodge Watch Fob with intact label
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Posted 5 years ago


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Thank you everyone for your help but I still cannot find n exact repro or replica like this one nowhere I have seen the gold ones n this looks like a replica gold one but how old who made it n from where is it I have seen few on ebay n I guess they are misrepresenting this watch as late 1890s anymore help would be greatly appreciated I will post more of my collection soon that I need help with to thank you ivan. I just found this same watch on ebay n they claim its antique Victorian guilt Masonic Pocket watch freemasons knights Templar circa 1890 can anyone please solve this mistery I know it is a repro from the original gold one but from what year n maker

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  1. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    It would be helpful , if you open the back at the hinge and show the movement. I've seen a couple of these, but they were "Gold" casing and time frame in the 1930's. Still very neat piece and thanks for sharing yours.
  2. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    Just guessing, without any reference to the movement, but the ones seen, were a 15 Jewel Elgin movement.
  3. officialfuel officialfuel, 5 years ago
    This looks like a repro? Are you sure it's old?

  4. thisoldwatch thisoldwatch, 5 years ago
    This is a real one that I posted a few months ago.
  5. puertorico puertorico, 5 years ago
    Tank you everyone for you help I defiantly know its old seen few more on eBay. Says its 1890s but no maker on watch n movement all the repros ive seen are not like mines will post movement thanks Ivan
  6. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    Ivan, will be watching for your new photo's, Also, welcome to the forum and look forward to your others from your collection.
    Jim (thisoldwatch) has left you a link to his, you can compare yours and his.
  7. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    Zuan 17 is a Chinesse made watch movement, I'll see if I can locate an approx date when these style movement were made, The ones I've run across date in the 1980's and 90's and are a very effecent movement.
  8. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    Here is a link to another forum, that shows this movement in a wristwatch .
    These triangle "Mason" watches date from the 1920's and 30's and held several different company movements, but a educated guess, leads me to believe it is a repoduction of the earlier one. I believe a Zuan movement wouldn't be one of the original. I've been wrong before, but that's my opinion. Sorry
  9. tempusfigit, 5 years ago
    "Zuan" isn't a movement name. Zuan is Chinese for Jewel.
    17 Zuan means nothing more than 17 Jewels in the movement.
  10. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    Still means "Chinese" movement any way you look at it. And none of the ORIGINAL piece had a late 20th century style movement.
  11. tempusfigit, 5 years ago
    That right, it is a cheap Chinese movement that is used in many cheap Chinese modern watches. I have one myself. It keeps very good time though.
  12. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    I agree, some of these movements have a reserve time of around 60 hours, that's a long running watch. I have a couple and the hold very close time, no complaint there. My point was that this piece here appears to be a repoduction of the original.
  13. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    @ tempusfigit, I seen you comment on several timepieces and read your for Europe. I have posted a 8-Day clock with a "Crown" marking on the dial, would you know the maker of this German made piece?
  14. tempusfigit, 5 years ago
    @kerry10456, it could be a Haller or Hermle clock. I think they are called anniversaire clock in English. They run a very, very long time on one winding. They are not very accurate and tuning them is almost impossible. I have one that I tried to run accurate, but I gave up. I leave it as it is now. At least something is moving and that's cute.
  15. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
    Thank you tempusfigit for the info, I'll research that name now, gives me a spot to start. thanks again

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