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RARE 1913 INDIAN AND PRESIDENT BRONZE SUN DIAL WITH POEM

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Posted 4 years ago

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I HAD POSTED THIS AS A CAST IRON AND IT IN FACT IS NOT CAST IRON IT IS MADE OF BRONZE I GUESS BECAUSE A MAGNET DOES NOT STICK TO IT ,IT IS DATED 1913 AND HAS A POEM AT THE BOTTOM OF IT .
{the shadow by my finger cast divides the future from the past one hour alone is in thy hands
the now on which the shadow stands before it sleeps the unborn hour in darkness and beyond thy power behind its unrelenting line the vanished hour no longer thine }
IT HAS THREE INDIAN HEAD BUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE DIAL AND WHAT LOOKS LIKE A PRESIDENT BUST ON THE OTHER AND IF IT WAS THE PRESIDENT OF 1913 THAT WOULD BE WOODROW WILSON ,IF ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN ONE SOME WHER3E PLEASE LET ME KNOW , I AM THINKING THIS MIGHT OF BE MADE SPECIAL FOR SOME REASON, THANKS FOR ANY HELP ON THIS LOUIS W.

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  1. Vestaswind Vestaswind, 4 years ago
    The link I gave you had the person that made it.
  2. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    Vestaswind for some reason that post was removed and i did not get link that you posted could you please repost that link for me please thanks louis w.
  3. Vestaswind Vestaswind, 4 years ago
    http://www.sundials.co.uk/mottoes.htm

    At the bottom of the page they have contact information. This person want to hear from people, perhaps he can help you nail this down
  4. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 4 years ago
    Hey Vesta, The link you gave, did it end with htm? If so, it would not show on here. I tried many links that ended with htm and they just won't post. Dave
  5. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    WELL THANKS GUYS I TRY THIS AND SEE WHAT I CAN FIND OUT ,YOU GUYS ARE GREAT ,KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
  6. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 4 years ago
    Leave iot to Vesta, everytime I try a HTM it kicked it off. What Gives? LOL
  7. Savoychina1 Savoychina1, 4 years ago
    Scroll down to Inscription for the sun dial at Wells College

    http://theotherpages.org/poems/vandyke1.html
  8. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    OK I GOT THE LINK NOW I HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING OUT ABOUT MIND IF IT MIGHT BE ON HERE SOME WHERE,VESTASWIND YOU SAY THE MAKER IS ON THIS SITE HOW DO YOU KNOW I LOOKED AND AM NOT SEEING SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE I GUESS, IS THERE A CERTAIN LINK THAT YOU WERE OWN, THANKS VESTASWIND
  9. Savoychina1 Savoychina1, 4 years ago
    http://books.google.com/books?id=WwWxAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA263&lpg=PA263&dq=sundial+at+wells+college&source=bl&ots=KL21xnASCk&sig=zP6i-4khyZv229-LPfIv9o3fmSY&hl=en&ei=actFTYusIsL3gAfCuKS3AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false


    more info for you...
  10. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 4 years ago
    I think she is refering to the remarks right under the poem on this link:
    sundial maker James Stewart, a whitesmith who worked in Invercargill, New Zealand and made more than 200 sundials before his death in 1933. (James Stewart was the great grandfather of Bruce Christie, Palmerston North, New Zealand. (bruce @greenplant.co.nz) who kindly supplied this collection.
    Dave
  11. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    OK THANKS GUYS, YOU HAVE REALLY WENT THE EXTRA MILE FOR ME HERE ,REALLY AM THANKFUL ,THIS IS THE BEST SITE I HAVE EVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING APART OF , JUST WISH I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THIS LONG AGO ,JUST IN THE LAST WEEK I HAVE GOTTEN MORE ANSWERS TO THINGS AND THIS IS WHAT COLLECTING IS ALL ABOUT PEOPLE HELPING EACH OTHER . THANKS SO MUCH LOUIS W.
  12. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    LET ME ASK ONE MORE THING IN YALL'S THINKING WOULD YOU SAY THIS WOULD BE A RARE PIECE OR A COMMON PIECE FOR COLLECTING OF SUN DIALS ,I AM JUST ASKING ,JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT OK ,TIA LOUIS W.
  13. Savoychina1 Savoychina1, 4 years ago
    The poem is quite famous so it may have been copied many times. It's "rareness" may have to do with the symbols on the dial. Clean them as best you can an take more pictures. Did this come from somewhere nearby? Check with your library or local museum. Lokks like a really cool piece, though,. Good luck.
  14. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    WELL AS FAR AS CLEANING I WAS NOT SURE WHAT TO DO TO IT ,IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS ALL ORIGINAL FINISH ,WHICH LOOKS LIKE A BLACK SEALER OF SOME KIND, AND DID YOU SEE WHERE I SAID THIS WAS NOT CAST IRON BUT SOME TYPE OF A BRONZE I THINK BECAUSE A MAGNET WOULD NOT STICK TO IT .AND THERE IS SOME OTHER LETTER ON IN IT A COUPLE PLACES BUT CAN NOT MAKE OUT FROM TIME OF WEATHERING THE ELEMENTS OF TIME ALMOST 100 YEARS WORTH, THANKS AGAIN
  15. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    YES I BOUGHT THIS A LOCAL AUCTION WHERE I LIVE MIDDLE TN, AS FAR AS WHERE THEY GOT IT THERE WAS NO ONE WHO KNEW ANYTHING ON IT , I THINK THE TIME 1913 IS THE TIME PERIOD IT WAS MADE THOUGH.AND THAT ABOUT ALL I KNOW NOW, WILL KEEP PLUGING AWAY AT FOR A WHILE AND SEE WHAT I COME UP WITH, THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT HAD ANY INPUT LOUIS W.
  16. Savoychina1 Savoychina1, 4 years ago
    Got some kin over around Dickson, tell 'em howdy!
  17. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 4 years ago
    Wash it down with a damp cloth and mild soup to get the dirt of, then dry it good. Don't polish off patina. Dave
  18. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 4 years ago
    You have a few mounting holes on the piece, put it up on the wall! LOl
  19. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    SAVOYCHINA1 WHAT YOUR KIN LAST NAME I HAVE BEEN IN MIDDLE TN FOR OVER 30YRS, I AM ABOUT 20 MILES FORM THERE,AND WHERE ARE YOU FROM . AND DIZZYDAVE I AM GOING LIGHTLY CLEAN NOT PATINA
    OFF , I AM STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE AND WHO MADE AND IF IT MIGHT RARE ONE OR NOT, MY WIFE LOVES GARDENING AND WANTS ME TO KEEP IT FOR SURE, BUT I WANT TO NAIL DOWN THE FACTS ABOUT IT AND THEN I WILL REST ,I HAVE BEEN ON THIS COMPUTER ALL DAY AND STILL DON'T EVERYTHING I WANT TO KNOW,BUT YALL I BEEN A REALLY BIG HELP ,THANKS TO ALL LOUIS W.
  20. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHY THERE ARE INDIANS ON HERE AND WHAT PART THEY MIGHT STAND FOR ON THE DIAL AND WHAT THE OTHER PERSON IS OR IF IN FACT IT WAS ONE OF ARE COMMANDERS IN CHIEF OF OUR NATION,JUST WANT TO KNOW THE LITTLE FACTS ,AND IF IT WAS MADE IN 1913 AS WELL ,THANKS EVERYONE
  21. Savoychina1 Savoychina1, 4 years ago
    Harris, Parker, Ledford, take your pick...
  22. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    HARRIS PARKER IS ONE OF THE MAKERS OF THE SUN DIAL OR POEM WRITERS
  23. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 4 years ago
    James Stewart-maker
  24. lawat56 lawat56, 4 years ago
    QUOTE FROM BRUCE CHRISTIE GREAT GRANDSON OF THE DIAL MAKE JAMES STEWART AS FOLLOWS, Hi Lewis,

    You almost certainly have a sundial made by my great grandfather. While it is just a guess I expect it was obtained by somebody that came to the New Zealand and South Seas International Exhibition in 1925. Any chance of getting some digital pictures and your location or wherever the sundial is located? Thanks for making contact.
    Look forward to hearing from you again
    Bruce
    THANKS EVERYONE FOR HELPING ME PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER
    LAWAT56
  25. Vestaswind Vestaswind, 4 years ago
    Congrats!

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