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chinablue
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I just love this reticulated plate. It's marked Schumann Bavaria and dates between the early '20's and pre WW II. I'm not sure of the pattern. The center is similar to Chateau Dresden, but the garland and bows around the edge don't seem right. I have always wondered what this type of piece is actually called since it's mounted in the rim with handle. Was it a type of tidbit plate or was it called something else? I'd appreciate you leaving a comment if you know what it's called. Thanks for taking a look! :-)

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  1. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, chinablue! Hope Jimbo is feeling better and better with every passing hour.

    Beautiful item! (Also love your white cabinets.) miKKo
  2. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Hello, miKKo! He is doing better, slowly but surely. Thanks for asking. It's amazing how many more bruises are showing up as time passes, though. He was one very lucky man. I shudder to think how bad it might have been. One day when my kitchen is clean, I'll show it. It's all white appliances, cabinets and countertops with cobalt blue walls. Can't get away from the blue willow theme in there! *LOL* And that cobalt butter dish you can see is the one I use for everyday.
  3. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, chinablue! Thank you for the good news on Jimbo and your gracious response. I will wait patiently and eagerly for the photos of your kitchen. I, too, have a blue and white kitchen. White cabinets and floor, cream stucco walls, wallpaper with an almost-cobalt ground, cobalt counters, pale almond appliances, and a white porcelain lamp with a white cotton shade with blue cabbage roses. Misc. apothecary jars that I fill with blue and white comestibles.
    I love Blue Willow, and also those wonderful English blue transferware lines of the nineteenth century. One can't beat blue and white!...I know that you're taking great care of Jimbo; please also take care of yourself. Regards, miKKo
  4. Maggie-Dog Maggie-Dog, 2 years ago
    Beautiful! It looks like Schumann, but the pattern is a little different. Have you visited this site, it helped me... http://www.efineantiques.com/webpages/schumann2.htm
  5. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Hi Maggie-Dog! Yes, it is Shumann. The mark dates it early '20's - pre WW II. The center 'medallion' flowers are the same as the early Dresden pattern, but the bows and garland around the edges don't fit. I don't know if this rim and handle would have been done at the factory or afterward. Perhaps the pattern was adjusted because of the rim/handle or maybe it's just a different Dresden pattern. There are several that use that same center floral bouquet it seems. Thanks for the link. That entire site is quite helpful for many items. :-)
    miKKo, now I want to see YOUR kitchen! I know without a doubt it's lovely. The problem with mine is I actually USE it, a LOT, and it shows. *LOL* But I promise you, the first time I get a chance to polish it up, I'll post a couple of pictures for you. Jim went to the doctor today and though still quite sore and bandaged, he got a good report. We appreciate your kind comments and good thoughts. Oh, and I'd love to see a picture of that lamp you mentioned too. :-)
  6. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 2 years ago
    Hi, chinablue! So glad that Jimbo is feeling better!!!!! You might be tired, too, from all the worry and activity, but your posts don't show it. You are very witty, indeed. I loved your 'internet braille', etc. I look forward to seeing your kitchen one day soon, and I will post my modest kitchen when I have the cabinets and floor gleaming AT THE SAME TIME!...Keeping up the prayers for your favorite 'Logger', miKKo
  7. Maggie-Dog Maggie-Dog, 2 years ago
    I noticed the garland looks a little different from other pieces too, it's interesting though. I took a stroll through ebay and couldn't find anything useful. I'm not as good with history as I probably should be, however, a good friend of mine is! She recently completed her masters degree in war and conflict-and has a passion for antiques! Sorry- I'm a proud friend! ;) So she was a helpful source in some of my research. She wasn't certain but believed that at different times depending on material supplies and access, some did less detailing/art work and depending on the stock for production things were just added after to the "plain version". The reticulated area around my plate does not have as much detailing as others... making mine slightly different, as well. ;) I'm not sure if that was fact or just her idea, but that would have made sense given the dates of my pieces...and her story rang a bell with me when I read your post. This theory may not apply to the date of your plate, because I'm not sure what the economic status was during that particular time frame, but she indicated things were added hard ware/even art work sometimes after. So, there might be a few different scenarios explaining the hardware as well as the garland. Please keep us posted, I'll be interested to see what you find out! Good Luck!
  8. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Hi miKKo! Thanks for stopping by. The worst part for me has absolutely been the worry. But things are looking up and he even felt like going out in the car for a little while this afternoon. Not for long, but at least he got off the farm and out into the world. :-) Is it possible that what you think is my wit is actually sleep deprivation and being a little addled? *LOL* But seriously, I'm glad you enjoy my occasional offbeat posts. If you can't laugh once in a while, you're really in trouble, aren't you? And I'll tell my 'Logger' what you said and that you asked after him. I'll post my kitchen one of these days too. It's nothing special but it IS blue and white with a little cobalt scattered around and my cobalt sun catchers in the window. I'm like you, it's a matter of getting it all clean at the same time before I post it that is my problem! Right now it looks a wreck because I've been trying to be quiet and let him sleep as much as he can. I'm a noisy cleaner. ;-)

    Maggie-Dog, I appreciate your insightful post about the plates and admire your pride in your friend! We should all have friends that can be as proud for us as you are for her. (side note... where I live, the older people here will often tell you that they are proud for you when they are happy for some circumstance or life event that you're enjoying. I just LOVE that saying!) As for the Shumann pieces, I have no doubt that the war impacted the factories in many, many ways. Plus, they like other companies probably made blanks that were decorated at other sites, if for no other reason that because of the war. I also think that there are probably a few 'lost' patterns because of both WW I and WW II. Perhaps not a lot of them were made, or even for some reason weren't especially popular. Some companies made some designs for use in country and others for exports and I would guess Shumann was no different. Now if I can just find out what this type of piece with this handle is called, I'll be a happy camper! *LOL* Thanks again for your comments and the information.

  9. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Thanks to everyone for the love! :-)
  10. Maggie-Dog Maggie-Dog, 2 years ago
    Thanks, Chinablue. Well, you said it better than I could! ;) I have to say I'm enjoying and learning a lot through these pieces!
  11. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Bellin68, thanks for the love!

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