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Posted 2 years ago

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chinablue
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I have had this set of plates for about 7 years. The plates are 10 inches, with gold around the edges and along the verge. I love the pattern but In that time I have never been able to identify the pattern name, find any other like it or determine the date. The only thing I know (or think I know) is that this mark was used beginning in 1907 and ended in 1949 when it was marked Rosenthal Selb-Germany until 1954. This one really has me stumped. I hope somebody out there knows the pattern or has better reference material at hand than I do! Thanks for taking the time to look.

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  1. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    So close but yet.... Still, way to go, scandi! Tropical Dusk is the closest I've ever seen to what I have. Thanks for finding it!
    Tropical Dusk has fewer leaves, lacks the small orange flowers at the nape of the bird's neck and the branches that connect the birds to the pattern. Mine seems more, I don't know, maybe detailed in comparison. Mine also has two large orange flowers between the birds where this has one and a gold edge and verge.
    I agree Maria Rustica is the same type of print which seems to have an Asian bent but it's lacking a lot detail, most notably the birds since it only has the one.
    I had found yet another like it, with parrots here:
    http://www.rubylane.com/item/49724-ab6453/Vintage-Rosenthal-Salad-Dessert-Plates
    The date of the mark has been really hard pinpoint too. If my research is correct, I found that they used a Rosethal Selb Germany mark 1949-1954. I also found that they used the mark on mine beginning in 1907. So, from that I figure it's between 1907 and 1949. I can't find another that was used before 1949 but after 1907.
    I think that perhaps the Tropical Dusk is a newer version of the pattern I have. What do you think...a newer version or an entirely different pattern? I've about decided Rosenthal patterns are as difficult to pin down as Noritake can be!
    Thanks again for the links and help. I feel like we're getting close. :-)
  2. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Honestly, I haven't resorted to them yet. ;-) In what I've seen so far, I believe Aida is blank design. It comes either cream or white. It has a wide flat rim with a pretty steep verge. I've seen the Tropical Dusk described as "Aida with a floral and tropical bird design". They have that Winifred plate also that has a sort of raised edge along the rim in cream and white that I believe was a blank, much like the Aida that was decorated in different patterns. I may be mistaken but that's what it seems to be after all the research I've done. Here is a link for the Winifred:
    http://images.replacements.com/images/images5/china/R/rosenthal_continental_winifred_cream_dinner_plate_P0000180118S0003T2.jpg
    I'll do some more checking later tonight, but right now, it's nap time. We're day sleepers so our hours are crazy. Thanks for all your help and persistence in working on this! I may well send off to replacements tomorrow.
  3. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Thanks ROB! Now I know there is one out there like mine. I was just getting ready to break down and get in touch with them. *LOL* I wonder if it ever HAD a name, or just a number?? You'd think they would call it something besides that. Next, to find out how old it is....scandi, I've donned my bifocals.. time to dig some more info!
  4. mikielikesigns2 mikielikesigns2, 2 years ago
    WOW!!! beautifull!
  5. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Thanks mikie!
  6. mikielikesigns2 mikielikesigns2, 2 years ago
    China, did I mention that I love plate?
  7. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Why yes, mikie, I believe you did! :-) and thank you very much.
  8. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
    About the mark, have you seen this site?
    I know it doesn't resolve the problem but it rules out a few options.
    http://www.porzellankompass.de/index.php?module=Pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=2&pid=80
    Note the year marks indicated by placement of a dot, hyphen etc
  9. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    No, vetraio50.. hadn't seen that site. Thanks for posting it! :-) From what I see there, it seems this would narrow this set to be somewhere between the '20s- early 30's, you think? And what do you make of the 1922 Rosenthal "Botticelli" marks having one with 2 dots and one with 3? I see what you mean about the difference, but I really can't make out any rhyme or reason to it, but I do see how they move the dots and dashes around.
  10. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    scandi, sorry for the lag in posting back. This one got lost in the shuffle. I have only a set of 12 plates, no other pieces in this pattern, I'm sorry to say.
  11. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    No scandi, I'm afraid not. If I ever find out more though, I'll post it here.

    wait...magic one up....hmmmm... not unless...by george I think you got it! Now I just need to get a few more women to dance naked in the woods around a white oak at midnight during the next full moon that falls on a Thursday ... any volunteers out there?? ;^)
  12. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Thanks to bratjdd, AmberRose, Junes233, and BELLIN68 for the love!

    scandi, I still haven't found any others to try to help us 'magic up' a piece with a handle. Looks like it's not gonna happen.
  13. chinablue chinablue, 2 years ago
    Thanks so much scandi! Between watching the Olympics and trying to keep Jim from getting cabin fever and going stir crazy, we've been pretty busy. I hate he got hurt, but I'd be lying if I said it hasn't been wonderful having him home. He works nights, so we rarely get to go out running amok together during the day and I'm home alone every night. We've sure missed keeping up with everyone here at CW but are enjoying having some fun while he's off and feeling better than he did last month! :-)

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