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    Posted 2 months ago

    Thoseprett…
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    This is a sewing machine that’s been in the family a long time. I would love to find out some information about it. Looks like the brand is ‘Standard’. The model number is 449460

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    1. negry31, 2 months ago
      Standard Sewing Machine Company from Ohio made sewing machines from 1884 to 1931 and it was bought by Osann Company in 1929. Singer acquired Osann in 1931.
      https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/pdf/sewing-machines.pdf
      If you like reading about sewing machines.... http://ismacs.net/index.html
      I didn't find information on your specific model number though.
    2. keramikos keramikos, 2 months ago
      Thoseprettylites, Cool. :-)

      I think negry31 has encapsulated the difficulties in researching old sewing machines. Non-Singer machines, that is, and even Singers aren't always sure bets. };-)

      I suspect that "449460" is not the model number of your machine, but rather the serial number.

      Here are some interesting tidbits about 'generational' differences in Standard rotary sewing machines (hopefully yours is a rotary). The serial number of a Standard rotary sewing machine can be a guide to its age:

      http://needlebar.org/main/survresults/standard1/index.html

      How to tell if your sewing machine is a rotary hook machine:

      *snip*

      If you’re unsure what type of hook your current machine has, there’s a simple way to tell. Remove the bobbin from your machine and turn the balance wheel by hand. Watch the motion of the hook. Does it make a full circle or does it change directions? If it changes direction, it’s an oscillating hook and if it stays on a full circular pattern it’s a rotary hook.

      *snip*

      https://www.sailrite.com/Rotary-vs-Oscillating-Hook-Sewing-Machines

      https://www.quiltingroomwithmel.com/2017/08/difference-between-rotary-oscillating-hook.html

      Here is a specific link to an e-copy of an 1895 manual for Standard sewing machines at the Smithsonian:

      https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/SIL/0014/index.htm

      This e-copy of "The Sewing Machine: Its Invention and Development" may also be of some help (use the search function to look for "Standard"):

      https://issuu.com/davidmannock/docs/sewingmachineit00coop
    3. keramikos keramikos, 2 months ago
      Thoseprettylites, After taking a closer look at that Smithsonian manual, I suspect that your machine is indeed a rotary.

      Back in 1895, Standard made three different models of Family (as opposed to Manufacturing) machines: the Standard Rotary, the Standard Vibrator, and the Paragon:

      https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/SIL/0014/imagepages/image44.htm

      If you look at the respective drawings for each, specifically near the lower right hand side of the base, the Standard Rotary is the only one that has a stitch length mechanism that looks like yours:

      The Standard Rotary:

      https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/SIL/0014/imagepages/image45.htm

      The Standard Vibrator:

      https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/SIL/0014/imagepages/image51.htm

      The Paragon:

      https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/SIL/0014/imagepages/image55.htm

      Also, the Style 3 is the cabinet that looks the most like yours:

      https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/SIL/0014/imagepages/image46.htm

      So I think that needlebar dot org information above about the minor variations should apply to your machine.
    4. keramikos keramikos, 2 months ago
      Perhaps I should have been clearer about what I think applies at that needlebar dot org page:

      *snip*

      In doing this survey, I was hoping to find out whether there was a version of the chainstitch spider that would fit the earlier Standard Rotary machines. The earliest serial number for a machine in the survey that was confirmed to have a spider is 727368. Whether there is a version of the spider that will fit Standard Rotary machines with a serial number lower than 700000 remains to be discovered.

      Machine #545,868 accepts and is able to use a solid center pin chain stitch spider. The use of the spider may depend on the type of hook mechanism and bobbin case the machine has.

      *snip*

      Machines with serial numbers lower than 174193 have the serial number on the flip-up plate (Photo 1). Machines with serial numbers above 182514 have the serial number on the stitch length plate (Photo 2).

      *snip*

      Another major division in the serial numbers occurs between 1065155 which is the latest reported "slim" machine (5) and 1247790 which is the earliest reported "stout" machine

      *snip*

      http://needlebar.org/main/survresults/standard1/index.html

      Standard seems to have been in business under their own name from 1884 - 1929. Here's another tidbit:

      *snip*

      Their most popular model was the Standard Rotary, which was manufactured basically unchanged from the 1880s through 1910s.

      *snip*

      https://www.oocities.org/heartland/plains/3081/standard.html

      I don't think it's unreasonable to say that your machine could be one of those 1880s-1910s machines. :-)

      Here is a later generation Standard Rotary somebody posted here at CW S&T (I'm not sure what that "V" at the end of the serial number is about):

      https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/246513-standard-treadle-sewing-machine--serial

      Oh, and here is a bona-fide manual for a Standard Rotary (I think that Smithsonian document is more of a sales brochure):

      https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2P32GNTAgLrQ256T0FTVV9QcVU/edit

      So, what I think (I could be totally wrong, of course):

      Presumably, that chain stitch spider mechanism would not work on your machine (serial number lower than 545,868), the serial number of your machine is on the stitch length mechanism (serial number higher than 182514), you have the "slim" variety of machine body (serial number lower than 1065155), and your cabinet is a Style 3.

      Sorry, I realize none of this pinpoints the year of manufacture, but if "1" was the lowest serial number, and "1581188" (the highest serial number in that needlebar dot org survey) is getting up there towards the end of the Standard Rotary machines, then yours would be in the lowest (presumably the oldest) third portion of 1884 - 1929.
    5. keramikos keramikos, 2 months ago
      I thought that there was at least one more avenue of exploration that I hadn't mined yet, and that was the patent listings in Cooper's "The Sewing Machine: Its Invention and Development."

      However, no joy there as the only inventor name I found in them that I could identify as being associated with the Standard Sewing Machine Company was one of its founders, William A. Mack. Unfortunately, that particular patent was too old (USPTO # 38,592, in 1863) to be of use in dating this machine.

      In the process, however, I tripped on a few more tidbits about the Standard Sewing Machine Company, its various models, and the number of machines produced by a certain date:

      *snip*

      Standard Rotary Shuttle- Introduced 1885 - 1920 (Sold by Sears Roebuck & Co. as Economy)
      Standard (V.S.) 1887 - 1912
      Norwood 1887 - 1912
      New Paragon Nov 1887 (UK)
      Paragon 1899 -1910
      Cleveland 1910 - 1912
      Favorite 1910
      Wizard
      Arrow 1919 (Sold by Sears Roebuck & Co. as Kenmore)
      Standard Vibrator 1911
      Hexagon 1919
      Sewhandy produced under licence from Frederick Osann & Co. 1928
      Production: By 1907 -790,000 machines had been produced

      *snip*

      http://www.sewmuse.co.uk/american%20sewing%20machine%20manufacturers.htm#s

      I don't know whether a single (serial) numbering system was used for all their models, but if true, and they'd produced some 790,000 machines by 1907, then your machine (serial number 449460) would have been made before that.

      I think I've taken this about as far as I can. :-)
    6. keramikos keramikos, 2 months ago
      Heh. I was just idly looking at that manual for the Standard Rotary sewing machine, and saw this tidbit:

      *snip*

      Allow no person interested in the sale of other machines to meddle with the machine that goes with this book. It is an old trick of unscrupulous agents to put a rival machine out of order, and then say it is good for nothing.

      *snip*
    7. Thoseprettylites, 2 months ago
      You guys are awesome thanks for all the info!
      Those darn unscrupulous agents ????
    8. keramikos keramikos, 2 months ago
      Thoseprettylites, You're welcome. :-)

      This particular machine forced me to work a bit, unlike with Singer sewing machines, which are generally very well documented. Still, I enjoyed it, because it was not a fruitless search like with a lot of vintage, non-Singer machines.

      To recapitulate (because I know this post is pretty busy-looking now with all that verbiage above):

      I think your vintage sewing machine is a Standard Rotary in a Style 3 cabinet, and because of its serial number (449460), it probably was made before 1907.

      You probably should download a copy of that Standard Rotary manual (at the Google docs link), because there's no telling how long that link will be valid.

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