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    Posted 9 years ago

    monkeyhead
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    i am trying to find out what the crest means. this ring dates back around 1870s ,it is in our family over 40 years .it is 17.5grams ,14ct bloodstone. inscription on the ring; nihil nisi cruce, nothing but the cross, i would like to thank the gentleman who helped me with cruce before my page was deleated,

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    1. jmack, 9 years ago
      I
      It means nothing unless by the cross or nothing, nothing except by the cross there are few translations with the same meaning.
      nil nisi cruce is the common.
      nihil nisi cruce was another branch of the family.
      Beresford name.

      It seems like the crest on the ring is more of a translation. He is holding the cross. Someone must of depicted the meaning.

    2. jmack, 9 years ago
      That should say nothing unless by the cross or nothing except by the cross
    3. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      thank you jmack,
    4. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      thank you ar8jason for your help last night
    5. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      about 10 years ago a friend of a friend was looking at the ring and made some comment about knights templar ,he has since passed away.
    6. Agram.m Agram.m, 9 years ago
      As far as I know 14ct is an English mark.
    7. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      check out new pictures above
    8. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      it is 14 with a circle around it
    9. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      nihil nisi cruce is william carr beresford motto 1768 1856
    10. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      i cannot retrive them links
    11. Dan121156 Dan121156, 9 years ago
      Wow... The information regarding he crest is interesting... Enjoyed the above conversation..
      Thanks.. ;-)
    12. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      thank you again ar8jason
    13. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      can anybody put a date on this ring, i could be wrong saying 1870s
    14. jmack, 9 years ago
      What are the marks next to .585?
    15. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      i posted a new picture of the marks
    16. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      thank you for that. now back to the drawing board
    17. jmack, 9 years ago
      Yea I still cant make out the marks clearly..Is the middle symbol a open circle with a line under it. If so can you describe the others
    18. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      i should have thought of this earlier,the top mark might not be 100 percent.
    19. jmack, 9 years ago
      Just messing around with the hallmark wizard. It seems that...
      14 .585 mark would have been hallmarked prior to 1974. If you noticed the box around the .585 on your ring is inverted on one side. This is an import mark, it seems only London, Sheffield, Birmingham used that exact mark. So it was imported into the UK and stamped in one of these regions.

      The second symbol would be which one of those essay offices. Problem is I haven't seen that symbol. Figuring that out would solve it though.

      The letter ( A ) would mark the year. Kind of tricky but it most resembles lettering from 1950s or 1970s

      Its a start, figuring out that mark would go a long way

    20. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      this is a good picture of the hallmark.
    21. vetraio50 vetraio50, 9 years ago
      This is an interesting assay mark. I think it is Irish and it bears the import mark for Dublin. The marks I see are a) the boujet (the Boujet is the formal name for the symbol used by the Dublin Assay Office after 1906, before that it was the shamrock)
      b) a date letter "a" for 1968
      c) 14 for karatage
      d).585 for fineness.

      It was fairly new when it came into your family 40 years ago.

      As regards the Latin: sine = without, nisi = unless
      Nothing without the cross (nihil sine cruce)
      Nothing unless by the cross (nihil nisi cruce)
      Slight nuance in the meaning.


    22. vetraio50 vetraio50, 9 years ago
      The Irish connection continues with the motto.
      As AR8Jason's citation points out the motto is that of the Barons Decies.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Decies
      The Baron Decies also has the title Marquess of Waterford.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Waterford
      Are you related to the Beresfords?
      Are you from Waterford?
    23. jmack, 9 years ago
      Nice Vetraio50

      So the what we thought was an (A) the last mark is actually a boujet.
      The middle mark is a lower case (a)

      I learned a lot with this ring. I think i have British Hallmarks down.

    24. monkeyhead, 9 years ago
      i am no relation to the beresfords and 100 miles from waterford. thank you all for the help.

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