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Posted 3 months ago
ho2cultcha
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I found this today at a thrift shop in Berkeley. It was only a couple of dollars, and i assumed it was a fake, but now that i'm getting a better look at it, i think it's real. I think it's a piece from the Shaft Culture in Northwest/Central Mexico. I've never seen one with that chocolate / black glaze on it. I have a gazillion questions! What do you think?
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Not sure if Totanac is same as Shaft? But looks similar..
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mnemonic- compañeros-falla estilo chino-ausencia baja despido
insert -parte un par de antepasados
mnemics -gouging in Tlatilco style
shaft tomb style is orange beige ground , almost never iconographical , more primnitief ang angelar and leess ceremonial
i, am rooky in this although i did some dusting
i also think it is totanac
the point is which gender
man-woman-antropomorfica
thisw is a man ,although a person told me it is a woman , because she is wearing a HUIPIL, well that,s is a mistake , wrist garlands IMO not the end s of the , you could see the relief of the ""petrified )embroidering ,
actually are the garments an enough indication of ceremonial use, hard to say we are missing the animales, vita, locomoción symbols
personally if i might too represent totanac ware , i would do it with the most significant characteristics and use SONRIENTES ( so called smilers) it is far better indication of Totanac)
why use a gouging application, in stead of ciseling and polishing,
to be honest , idon,t trust the tonality and the lack of oxidation in the black application
Thanks apostata. The open arms are very indicative of Totonac as is the cord around the neck and the use of tar as a glaze. There are some really amazing figures from the Totomac - the sonrientes! beautifully made. This is not one of them - more like the common form. I've no doubt that it is ancient after showing it to a few people who see alot of this stuff.
Remojadas de Totonac, Vera Cruz.
no sweat , i trust my own experts
I don't know why, but most Totonaco / Remojadas pieces have this same patina. It must be the Vera Cruz climate or something like that.
i, dom,t want beef Pete , consult your experts, no sweat, but i completely disagree , thats, all
The chiseling and polishing is seen on the fancier sonrientes. the applied / gouging is much more common throughout all of mesoamerica. The chapapote is common amongst this same pottery, but not on the finely sculpted sonrientes. What does tie this to the sonrientes are the outstretched arms. It's definitely a male - the rope 'tie' signifies that. What is unusual about this piece is the third 'leg' to hold it in a standing position. There is significant wear on a break on the side of the headband knot which makes me think it was done in production. I have no beef w/ you apostata and i recognize your authority on many topics, but i believe you are wrong about this one. as my pepere would say: tu n'as pas toujours raison et je n'ai pas toujours tort!
a really good resource for info regarding pre-columbian pieces is the facebook page called 'Pre-Columbian Addiction'. They see thousands of images and pieces and really know their stuff.