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    Posted 8 months ago

    oktreedude
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    KEMPER COUNTY , MISSISSIPPI in eastern MS. where I was raised and remember this gate. Would my community here be on the watch for our gate? It is a beautiful ornate cast iron with a large mossy tree and two sheep laying in foreground. Can be viewed by GOOGLING "Historical cemetery gate taken"
    Wednesday, June 26, 2019 12:00 PM
    The church was founded 1860 and the cemetery was located there before the church. A iron fence surround the cemetery. The date on the gate had 1869. This theft has struck a nerve in the community.

    “So many are heart broken about this,” Wendy said. “It’s not just the gate, it’s the peace and serenity that has been disturbed.”

    She added that she wish whoever took the gate would return it, or let someone know where It is.

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    1. oktreedude, 8 months ago
      I did not have a picture of the gate to post. GOOGLE (stolen historical Mississippi gate) but if anyone wants a house in SE OK......
    2. keramikos keramikos, 8 months ago
      oktreedude, Beautiful house.

      And beautiful gate. Here are a couple of press pieces with pictures of the stolen gate:

      https://www.wtok.com/content/news/An-historic-gate-dating-back-to-1869-was-stolen-recently-from-a-cemetery-in-Kemper-County-Now-people-who-have-family-buried-there-just-want-it-returned-511753001.html

      http://kempercountymessenger.com/Content/Default/Rotator/Article/Historical-cemetery-gate-taken/-3/591/39363

      And this seems to be the location of the church/cemetery:

      *snip*

      Union United Methodist Church Cemetery map address, GPS coordinates and phone number
      Address
      Oak Grove, MS
      GPS coordinates
      Latitude: 32.6792, Longitude: -88.57839
      Phone
      Not currently available

      *snip*

      https://peoplelegacy.com/cemetery/union_united_methodist_church_cemetery-1E5611/

      If you look through the pictures at the Google Maps link for the church, you'll see the cemetery gate as it looked in April 2019:

      https://goo.gl/maps/dxs5GJYQXJYT43F17

      So sad that somebody took the gate. :-(
    3. Watchsearcher Watchsearcher, 8 months ago
      Such a loss! I hope the publicity will prompt the thief to return it.
    4. Watchsearcher Watchsearcher, 8 months ago
      Maybe the thief thought it was just a pretty gate and does not understand the symbolism represented by the gate.

      The tree is a Weeping Willow representing the tears, grief and sadness associated with death of a loved one.
      It also suggests longevity, immortality, life after death, resurrection of the soul.

      The lambs can represent the grave of a child, and innocence.
      To Christians, the lamb represents “Lamb of God”, meaning “Jesus”.

      I couldn’t clearly make out the smaller details on the gate but I imagine they represent other symbols of death, grief, rebirth, fidelity, love, and certainly have a religious interpretation.

      Maybe Keramikos will be so kind as to delve deeply into the symbolism and post “snips”....they are always thorough!

      Maybe if the thief becomes informed that it’s not just lambs lying under a tree, he/she will have a change of heart and return the gate to it’s only proper place.

    5. keramikos keramikos, 8 months ago
      Watchsearcher, Thanks, I'll try, but my aging carcass and brain aren't optimal this morning. >8-0

      As you say, a willow tree (love them myself, even though they're kind of a gardener's nightmare), and lambs. Is it too much of a stretch to think the birds are doves?:

      *snip*

      In Song of Songs, the moving love depicting the loving relationship between G?d and His nation, the "dove" is an adjective often used to describe the bride, the Jewish people.

      Our sages tell us of many wonderful qualities which the dove possesses, qualities which are also associated with the Jewish people — and hence the use of the dove as our metaphor. Perhaps some of these wonderful qualities would be appropriate descriptions of your mother?

      Here are some of them:

      "Just as the dove is only saved by her wings, so, too, the Jews are only saved by the merit of their mitzvot."1

      "The dove said before G?d: 'Master of the universe; let my food be bitter like an olive, but from Your hands, and not sweet as honey but dependent on the hands of flesh and blood.'"2

      "All other birds rest on a rock or a tree when they tire, but when the dove tires she pushes off the ground with one wing and flies with the other."3

      "Just like a dove once she meets her mate never leaves him for another… just as a dove whose fledglings are taken from her nest still doesn't abandon her nest…, so are the Jewish people faithful to G?d."4

      *snip*

      Rabbi Menachem Posner

      *snip*

      https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/515373/jewish/What-is-the-symbolism-behind-the-dove.htm

      If you save and magnify a picture of the gate, it looks like there is some maker information on it in near the upper right-hand corner: "JLANG MAKER," and then something I can't quite make out.

    6. keramikos keramikos, 8 months ago
      A more direct link to the photograph of the cemetery gate:

      https://goo.gl/maps/XJo7qPLnt5NJMi6L7

      Anybody who can better make out the writing near the upper right-hand corner, chime in, please.
    7. Ms.CrystalShip Ms.CrystalShip, 8 months ago
      Thieves...something I cannot abide along with liars. Both go hand in hand. Such a sad, sad story.
      One thing... with all the publicity the thief won’t be able to “unload” it easily. Then again, it also most likely has frightened the thief into hiding it where it might never be found! I believe they should advertise a “no questions asked” return...then hopefully a change of heart will happen.
    8. keramikos keramikos, 8 months ago
      Ms.CrystalShip, I agree on the "no questions asked" strategy. As much as one might want to wring the perpetrator's neck, the chances of recovery might improve with a more lenient approach.
    9. keramikos keramikos, 8 months ago
      Now that I'm semi-refreshed:

      Biblical willows:

      *snip*

      (Biblical scholars point out that these 'willow-trees' were probably Euphrates poplar (Populus euphratica) and not the weeping willows (Salix babylonica) which originated in China.) During the 16th and 17th centuries the association became particular to grief suffered by forsaken lovers, who also adopted the custom of wearing a cap or crown made of willow twigs and leaves. By the nineteenth century illustrations of weeping willows were commonly used as ornaments on gravestones and mourning cards. Willow boughs were also used to decorate churches in Britain on Palm Sunday instead of largely unavailable palm leaves.

      *snip*

      https://treesforlife.org.uk/forest/mythology-folklore/willow/

      https://www.openbible.info/topics/willow

      *snip*

      Psalm 137 remembers the Babylonian captivity and provides insight into the life of the Jerusalem captives in Babylon. The first stanza (first 3 verses) possibly indicates that the captives lived near and/or worked building canals that connected rivers around Babylon and provided irrigation for crops. The captives were so wretched that at times they could do nothing but sit and weep for their lost freedom and land. Verse 2 recorded that they hung harps, used to accompany songs to God, on willow trees. Probably the men did not technically hang their valued musical instruments on willow tree branches. More likely, they set them aside or as we say today, “put them on a back shelf,” having no heart to play or sing.

      *snip*

      Depression and weeping are concepts that could be associated with the Salix babylonica because they described the behavior of the Jewish captives in Psalm 137:1-3; however, “repentance” is the better symbolism.

      *snip*

      Biblical lambs:

      *snip*

      In Christianity, the lamb represents Christ as both suffering and triumphant; it is typically a sacrificial animal, and may also symbolize gentleness, innocence, and purity. When depicted with the LION, the pair can mean a state of paradise. In addition, the lamb symbolizes sweetness, forgiveness and meekness. Relations to the month March. A BLACK lamb has certain significance - a flock cannot prosper without one yet more than one is bad luck. Can represent pure thoughts of a just man.

      *snip*

      http://umich.edu/~umfandsf/symbolismproject/symbolism.html/L/lamb.html

      Biblical doves (too long to excerpt, really):

      https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/daily-life-and-practice/the-enduring-symbolism-of-doves/
    10. oktreedude, 8 months ago
      Thank you everyone !!!
    11. oktreedude, 8 months ago
      And that 1903 house in McAlester, OK is on the market. Very reasonable

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