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    Posted 7 years ago

    tlmbaran
    (136 items)

    Just picked this up for $20 bucks!
    Nice WWI photo of a U.S. ARMY soldier with 2nd Division shoulder patch. Collar insignia has the crossed rifles for INFANTRY, with the letters "MG" representing the he was in a Machine Gun unit. Soldier is also wearing shooting badges, WWI Campaign ribbon and the French shoulder cord.
    NICE period photo, and a rare find for this highly decorated Division. Frame measures 7 3/4 X 8 1/4

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    1. scottvez scottvez, 7 years ago
      It looks like you can pop it out of the frame and w/o matting of the folder, you will be able to see ALL of the Division patch!

      scott
    2. antiquerose antiquerose, 7 years ago
      Nice!!

      Not sure if you collect all military stuff but here is a VID from the Canadian Legion in Memory of Vets. My dad was with the RCAF. Just thought you might like to watch:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9oPKabIN-0

      Hope okay to post as is related as shows military stuff, clothing, etc....
    3. tlmbaran tlmbaran, 7 years ago
      Scott-
      I thought about that, but these are the reasons why I didn't open the back of the frame...
      1- the photo is obviously smaller than the mat, and thus the frame will be useless, and #2, after being in a frame and behind the mat for 95 years, I am sure the photo has faded a bit, and removing the mat to expose the whole shoulder patch will show the fading...I know what patch it is, so I think I will just leave it...
      But if you will please contact me at TLMBARAN591@YAHOO. COM
      I am trying to track when and where my wife's great uncle was killed in WWII.
      This is all I have from a newspaper cut out:
      "Overseas only two months, SGT Harley Swartz 23yrs old, son of Mrs. May Swartz, R.R. No.1, Ridott, was killed April 15 in action in Germany. An infantryman, he had been serving in the 71st division of the 3rd Army. He was inducted into the Army October 31, 1942

      Any leads where would be great. I have a photo of him as a Corporal with the 89th division shoulder patch....
    4. scottvez scottvez, 7 years ago
      I looked in WW2 online database and found NO listing for him.

      Closest name is "Harley F. SwartS" who enlisted PRIOR to the date posted in the article and was from ILL, but a different county:

      http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=1&cat=all&tf=F&q=harley+swarts&bc=&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=6277179

      scott

    5. tlmbaran tlmbaran, 7 years ago
      Thanks Scott....
      I'm at a dead end too, searching for the information. I googled WWII history of the 71st Infantry division, and that's how I found that they were fighting the Germans in a town called Bayreuth, when Harley was killed in action on April 15, 1945....I also have his service number if that helps:
      36617870
    6. scottvez scottvez, 7 years ago
      Service Number doesn't match nor does yours show up anywhere in the database.

      scott
    7. tlmbaran tlmbaran, 7 years ago
      Scott...what do I do?
      Where else can I look, and why can't we find this guy?
      Harley E. Swartz did exist....all my wife's family has is what I have photos of and posted...I would like to create a shadow box, know what medal he got, his duty stations etc...much like a DD214....Now when I Google Winnebago county Illinois WWII , his name IS listed there, shows his rank, and K.I.A.
    8. solver solver, 7 years ago
      tlmbaran, don't mean to jump in here and perhaps the information I found is incorrect.

      The site is comprehensive info for Sgt. Harley Swartz, born 1922, KIA Germany, April 15, 1945, and reflects that he served in the BOTH the 66TH and 71st infantry divisions.

      This record has a photo and combat and operations history, and more --- you have to click the different links to access.

      http://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=Person&ID=204472

      Military Timeline page:
      http://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=SBVTimeLine&type=Person&ID=204472
    9. solver solver, 7 years ago
      If the togetherweserved site record is your wife's great uncle, here is the administrator's contact. There is also a link for an online form that is in the upper right-hand corner of the record page that is their profile number ATWS 204472. It also says:

      "If you have any photo(s) you would like to add to this Remembrance Profile, please send these in jpeg file format to the Administrator at

      admin@togetherweserved.com

      and quote Profile Number: ATWS 204472. We will add these as soon as received."
    10. solver solver, 7 years ago
      Last bit of info:

      1. Here is a photocopy from the National Archives for Winnebago County that shows his service number as 36617870.
      http://media.nara.gov/media/images/28/29/28-2809a.gif

      scottvez is an expert so apparently there is a discrepancy in the service number. Here is the information to request military records from the National Archives:
      http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/public/general-public.html

      2. From the Freeport [Illinois] Journal Standard, November 17, 1948. I copied the text only since a subscription is required to see the actual newspaper.

      "Bodies Of Three Freeport Veterans Arrive In U. S. Today

      When the U. S. army transport Carroll Victory arrived today in New York harbor the ship returned the bodies of three Freeport veterans, and three others from St.eph- enson county. Among the list of 7,572 returned from Europe, 452 were from Illinois. These war dead had originally been interred in temporary military cemeteries in France, Belgium and Holland. The list of the deceased veterans from this county is as follows: S/Sgt. Jack W. Sellke, son of Mr. and Mrs. Edwin L. Sellke, 304 South Walnut avenue; Sgt. William | P. Bessei;t, Jr., son of Mr. and Mrs. William F. Bcssert, 818 East Shawnee street; Pfc. Donald L. Weber, son of Mr. and Mrs. Roy R. Weber, 438 South Locust avenue, all of Freeport. S/Sgt. Russell W. Ter Hark, son of Mr. and Mrs. Fred Ter Hark, and Sgt. Harley E. Swartz, son of Mrs. Mary Swartz, both of Ridott; and St?t. William H. Campbell, son of Mr. and Mrs. William H. Campbell, Winslow, route 2.

      Sgt. Swartz registered for service outside of Stephenson county. ..."
    11. solver solver, 7 years ago
      :-) This is truly my last post but I needed a break from doing something else.

      Here is info for Sgt. Swartz's gravesite. Both headstone photos indicate he was in the 66th and 71st infantry divisions. The birth dates are slightly different (October 2, 1921, and the other simply states 1920).

      http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=swartz&GSfn=harley&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=16&GScnty=790&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=29659079&df=all&;

      Burial: Harrison Cemetery
      Harrison (Winnebago County)
      Winnebago County, Illinois
    12. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 years ago
      Yes , I would not rip open the matting just leave it in the beautiful frame.
    13. scottvez scottvez, 7 years ago
      I wouldn't "rip open" the matting either.

      Bottom line it is your photo.

      Most of the collector value is in the PATCH-- whole patch is much more desirable than the small section visible. The framing is easily reassembled and may save the image. I have found these held in a folder with poor quality (yellowing) tape that was causing damage to the actual image area. Archival mounts can be cut to show the whole patch and preserve the image.

      Whatever you do/ don't do, it is a nice image!

      scott
    14. tlmbaran tlmbaran, 7 years ago
      Solver!
      Thank you SO MUCH for getting me the answers I needed.
      You have really helped me out so much, amd my wife and I are truly grateful.

      I hate to be a pain in the ass, but would you ba able to look up info onmy wife's grandpa on her mother's side, Alfred P. Pilling. His date of birth: August 4, 1918 (he did survive the war-I have his WWII uniform in my collection) I do know he was in Pattons 3rd Army as a Cavalry Scout in Europe, then when the war ended in Germany, he went to Japan in the 6th Army, worked as a payrol clerk, and was there for the occupation.
      Also, my wifes Grandfather on her dads side, Charles Ackerman. He was in the Marine Corps, fought in WWII and Korea. I know he won a few purple heart medals and a bronze star....what ever you can come up with, I would be grateful...
      Thank you so much!!
    15. scottvez scottvez, 7 years ago
      Good to have your "solving" expertise back on the forum, solver!

      scott

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