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    Posted 7 months ago

    C.Powers
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    Could this possibly be from the Lewis Miles Potteries who was connected to Potter Dave?
    Cannot find any other "LM" signatures.

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    1. keramikos keramikos, 7 months ago
      C.Powers, Beautiful.

      Here's a website about the Lewis Miles Potteries:

      https://archaeologyhour.com/tag/lewis-miles/

      And here's a pottery shard with the "LM" signature:

      https://archaeologyhour.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/milesfragsiphone-6-of-16.jpg

      And another shard with Dave's thumbprint:

      https://archaeologyhour.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/milesfragsiphone-3-of-16.jpg
    2. Gillian, 7 months ago
      'Dave the Potter'

      One of his pots:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Drake_(potter)#/media/File:Dave_the_Potter,_I_made_this_jar_for_cash,_though_it_is_called_lucre_trash.jpg

      Just in case you want to know more about Dave the Potter:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Drake_(potter)
    3. Gillian, 7 months ago
      @keramikos -

      Just to say I got really stuck into the history that was posted in your link. Very interesting indeed. Thanks!
    4. keramikos keramikos, 7 months ago
      Gillian, You're welcome.

      I know what you mean about getting stuck into the history; I do it all the time myself. It's kind of how I get sucked into following tangents. };-)
    5. CanyonRoad, 7 months ago
      This is contemporary pitch-coated Navajo pottery, made for the tourist/collector market. It is based on the traditional type of all hand-made coiled pottery, made from local clay, fired in an outdoor bonfire, and coated with pinon pine pitch while it is still hot from the firing.

      Unlike most "Navajo" pottery made from commercial green ware, this is the real thing, and a result of the revival of traditional pottery making in the Shonto/Cow Springs area of the Navajo Reservation in the 1970s/1980s.

      I have seen this "LM" signature before, but have not been able to connect it with a particular potter. It may be an earlier work by Lucy McKelvey (but doesn't look like her current work), or it may be by one of the members of the Manygoats family, of whom there are a number of potters.

      But no relationship at all to Lewis Miles, or Dave the Potter!
    6. keramikos keramikos, 7 months ago
      CanyonRoad, Thanks for the information.

      Before I looked at this post, I knew nothing about Lewis Miles, Dave the Potter, or for that matter, Lucy McKelvey, and the Manygoats family.

      However, I did wonder whether that image on the vase was of a more ordinary frog/toad, or a southwestern horned lizard. :-)
    7. CanyonRoad, 7 months ago
      It's a horned toad. Betty Manygoats was probably the first to adopt the image, which has become almost a family "signature," although there are other potters from other families as well, such as Aleta Bitsi, who have been known to feature horned toads on their pottery. Usually there are differences in the way the image is made which can help identify the potter.

      Identifying the specific potter, other than by initials, probably isn't going to make much difference, in terms of value. If it's just a matter of curiosity, however, one might try doing a web search for "Navajo horned toad pottery" and comparing the toads, to see if the particular style can be matched with a specific potter.
    8. keramikos keramikos, 7 months ago
      CanyonRoad, Cool.

      Here's one by Betty Manygoats that looks similar (in that it's a wedding vase, and the horned toad is an impressed image):

      http://www.twodogssouthwestgallery.com/native-american-jewelry/Navajo-Horned-Toad-Wedding-Vase-/

      I'd toyed with the idea that perhaps at one time she might have gone by one of the other variant nicknames for Elizabeth (one that starts with an "L"), but per the webpage above:

      *snip*

      She did not always sign her pots, but when she has it is with her initials: BM or BBM. On occasion, she has signed her work with her name printed in full, "BETTY MANYGOATS", as well as in cursive signature style, "Betty B Manygoats".

      *snip*

      Here's another sample of her work, including a picture of her signature:

      https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/horny-toad-pottery-signed-navaho-506345011

      So...no ID yet of the vase in this post, but it's all interesting. :-)
    9. Recordmantime, 7 months ago
      Really neat wedding vase...
      https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1HLDY_enUS829US829&biw=1536&bih=755&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=Gq5-XLuXM4y1_AaHp4XADg&q=LNA+sign+Indian+pottery+wedding++vase&oq=LNA+sign+Indian+pottery+wedding++vase&gs_l=img.12...142695.145353..149059...0.0..0.117.807.5j3......1....1..gws-wiz-img.KlDPNImilkg#imgrc=R0NMW-DhtQtf8M:

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