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    Posted 7 months ago

    Abdul__Qad…
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    Got this beautifully worked plate, sorry for the cropped back image of the plate, i think this plate is really something valuable, please give your views about its origin or anything.
    Thank you!

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    1. keramikos, 7 months ago
      Hi, Abdul__Qadir8879. :-)

      Beautiful. Is the medium clay? I seem to see hints of pale terracotta peeking through the verdigris finish.

      I'm also interested in what appears to be alphabet characters encircling the well of the plate. They look like they might be Cyrillic. Greek Cyrillic:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet

      https://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/greek_ancient.htm

      https://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/greek_modern.htm
    2. Abdul__Qadir8879 Abdul__Qadir8879, 7 months ago
      Thank you so much Keramikos, yes the medium seems to be Terracotta, also there's something written in greek language I dont know. Its origin seems pretty much old.
    3. keramikos, 7 months ago
      Abdul__Qadir8879, You're welcome. :-)

      I don't know Greek, either.

      I included links to the Lexilogos keyboards for both ancient and modern Greek in case you wanted to try your hand at transcribing those characters. I tried with the short string just to the right of the top, which looked to me like it might spell "Alpha Iota Delta Omicron Upsilon."

      Google Translate gamely rendered that in Roman alphabet as "AIDOU," but that was as far as it would go. Oh well.

    4. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 months ago
      I think it has something to do with Sophocles.
    5. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 months ago
      It does relate to Sophocles. Only 7 of his plays remain it seems but there are fragments of text from other works. The text around the plate is translated as :

      "Thrice blessed are those among men who, after beholding these rites, go down to Hades. ....."

      The rites refer to the Eleusinian Mysteries.

      The text continues :

      " Only for them is there life; all the rest will suffer an evil lot."

      Sophocles, Fragment 837, "Fragments Not Assignable to Any Play," Sophocles III, Fragments, Loeb Classical Library, Harvard University Press, 1996, 2003, pp.368-369; regarding the Eleusinian Mysteries.
    6. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 months ago
      I'm not sure if CW supports Greek text yet.

      But I will give it a go.

      The text around the edge of the plate reads:

      "?? ?????????? ?????? ??????, ?? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????·"

      It might not work but let's give it a go !!!

    7. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 months ago
      Perhaps in the centre is the figure of HAIDES the king of Hades and his chariot with the four immortal black horses ???
    8. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 months ago
      “ Chariot & Horses of Hades: Hades drove a golden chariot drawn by a team of four immortal, sable-black horses; Orphnaeus (savage and fleet), Aethon (swifter than an arrow), great Nyctaeus (proud glory of Hell's steeds), and Alastor (branded with the mark of Dis).” ( https://greekmythology.wikia.org/wiki/Hades%27_Chariot)
    9. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 months ago
      “Thrice blessed are those among men who go down to Hades” : a revised version of the text on the plate. The plate then is possibly a vision of the dark world of Hades.
    10. Abdul__Qadir8879 Abdul__Qadir8879, 7 months ago
      Thank you sir vetraio50, its really helpful, the plate do seems what you said according to greek mythology the vision of dark world of hades, is the plate a modern one or an old valuable Antique one according to you sir.

      Thank you ????
    11. keramikos, 7 months ago
      vetraio50, Wow. Just wow. :-)
    12. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 months ago
      Abdul I think it is not ancient. You would be able to find more examples if it were, I think. They would be in museums. From looking around the Sophocles Fragments were big in the mid nineteenth century. It might relate to that period but it could also be much more modern.
    13. Abdul__Qadir8879 Abdul__Qadir8879, 7 months ago
      I saw a similar version on the internet, please have a look I've uploaded that photo.
      vetraio50
    14. keramikos, 7 months ago
      Abdul__Qadir8879, That plate in the Shutterstock images is indeed very similar to yours, although not quite identical:

      https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/round-greek-plate-ornament-262141739

      https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/greek-plate-on-tiled-wall-1868531743

      http://olegasphoto.com.ua/

      Perhaps these are modern interpretations of antiquities?
    15. Abdul__Qadir8879 Abdul__Qadir8879, 7 months ago
      Maybe but not sure, keramikos
    16. apostata apostata, 7 months ago
      ?? ?????????? ?????? ??????, ?? ????? ?????????? ????
      ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? ????
      ??? ????, ???? ??????? ????? ????? ????

      the greek is wrong
    17. apostata apostata, 7 months ago
      patina does, not make and the pressure points does, not make sense

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