Posted 1 year ago
Faith.k
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Small imari dish, looks pretty old, think it's probably japanese, but maybe chinese? there are no markings. the blues are very vibrant, sort of like the flow blue, but not as blurry. thoughts?
Edited to post better pictures. size is about 7 7/8" x 4 7/8"
Very nice! What are the dimensions?
Gorgeous imari dish, I love the way it combines the red, green & blue colors it's very unique
Thanks for the love kwqd, newfld and drake 47! Measured at 4 7/8 x 7 7/8 inches. I had guessed 8x5, so my guess was almost fight, haha! Have noted a couple small chips in the glaze, but seem minor to me, it's always amazing to find something that I feel is old, that also looks well used, and somehow remains relatively unscathed! Pretty tough stuff.
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i suck big time in japanese porcelain so lets talk some bs
I, we ran into an NAGAZARA, this is a fish serving plate for just the ordinary people
try to explain the spead later , because the spread is wide
Its very hard to see, but we are in a Sho-Chiku-Bai. If that name doesn’t sound Japanese to you, then you have a good ear, as it is actually the Chinese reading of the Kanji characters ???. In Japanese, they are read matsu (pine), take (bamboo) and ume (plum) and they form a threesome as one of the most popular decorative motifs the “Three Friends of Winter,” representing promise and good fortune. Together, they stand for the scholarly ideals of pure spirit (plum), longevity (pine) and flexibility (bamboo).
Sho-Chiku-Bai
Three Friends of Winter
The Three Friends of Winter is an art motif that comprises the pine, bamboo, and plum.[1] The Chinese celebrated the pine, bamboo and plum together, as they observed that these plants do not wither as the cold days deepen into the winter season unlike many other plants.[2] Known by the Chinese as the Three Friends of Winter, they later entered the conventions of East Asian culture and Vietnamese culture.[3][4][5][6] Together they symbolize steadfastness, perseverance, and resilience.[7] They are highly regarded in Confucianism and as such represent the scholar-gentleman's ideal.[1][8]
i hate to say but was the easy way because there are lot of social antroposopical interpretation
+ part one
part 2 assumptions dating
the sedimentation on the bottom is a ferro red sedimentation , but will this help , because the spread of this sedimentation is probably lesser atrition till the end of taisho period
above the sedimentation is an XOXO XOXO strip and that probably narrows ( iam not sure 1800-1900 or even slightly earlier
above that is a scroll design the cobalt blue part , and don,t confuse it , it is not a tako karakusa a so called octopus tentacle shape scroll, but a stylised lotus vine karakusa
very promising karakusa heavely cobalt , good frotte ( stroke and dot ,no dillution)
above that is a kiku , which is an One of the "Four flowers of the Season" as a symbol of the autumn, the ninth month and symbol of joviality, first mentioned in the Book of Rites written in the Zhou dynasty. Sometime during the fourth century BC, a Chinese poet named Tao Yuan Ming refused a high government post and returned to his chrysanthemum garden. He said, rather than work for the government, he preferred to pick chrysanthemums, entertain his friends, and get drunk. Thus, the flower has come to symbolize easy life after retirement as reflected by the Song dynasty Scholar Zhou Dunyi (1017-1073) who regarded it as "the flower of scholarship and loneliness".
Chrysanthemum is also a well-known herb used to prolong life. The petals and leaves are used to make wine and medicine. The early morning dew, collected from the flowers, was thought to help with longevity.
it got an historic lison with emporers etc
remember the lining of the kiku, because the lining is IMO so called peached GILT
part 3 obverse just normal ware partly diper design ansome birds
in the corners is probably also an indication because it is a tsura karakusa vine arabesque in bourgondy tonality
the green bubbles trnsversal i do,nt know, in chinese they call fish eggs in kanzhi but probaly no connection
obverse the rim is important , because it is not a cofee rim but but it likely an KINRANDE=
Kinrande means gold brocade in Japanese, and is a Japanese name of a Chinese decoration.
So IMO it is a sort of EDO period between 1830-1860, IMO this is not Meijji
Thank you very much Apostata, for the beautifully detailed description, I love learning the meanings behind my treasures! So my only question is, at the end of all the details, is it chinese or japanese? I thought the green dots might represent fish scales, but fish eggs is a better fit. Much appreciate the help and info, thank you again!
because this might be a so called SCHOCHIKUUME TSURU , which means crane design, the time periode could shift, to even earlier EDO periode , century , but that , does,not matter that much because it still remains EDO
this is japanese
difference between chinese and japanese ( don,t discus the glazing ) i extrapolate heavely
1any plate with karakusa on the REVERSE !!!!! ( lotus scrolls or octopus scrolls etc are japanese 1
2 a inner circle inside the bottom ring +!! outside the bottom ring are japanese ( please remember this is the main determinant
all reverses with kilnspurs on the bottom are japanese
( computer is broke) example CATAWIKI - Bord - Porselein - Antique Japanese porcelain plate with birds - Japan - 19e eeuw surye rutten
1 technically it is not a karakusa , but to get an idea , your bowl is the real blue karakusa
3 kilnspurs ( the bubbles at the reverse bottom in Y shape)
good plate by the way
well you can forget everything no sweat , we have to start
but anyone who buy asian porcelain remember point 2
a inner circle inside the bottom ring +!! outside the bottom ring are japanese ( please remember this is the main determinant