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Posted 2 years ago

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Londonloet…
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Nearly 2 months ago Alfredo posted 3 lovely Kralik Helios or other maker helios-shift pieces, 2 with firm attribution, 1 with his considered opinion - see http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/51640-new-czech-glass-decor-2-rindskopf-posh
I have just received this helios-shift piece (considered opinion in the comments below is that it is not Kralik Helios) - and then discovered the uranium. The glow, as you can see, is quite amazing. I love it - and I'd also love any (additional) views/votes on who made it!
At present the firm expert vote is for Poschinger,hence the change to the post and the title, but given bohmemianglassandmore's suggestion of Rindskopf on my other uranium piece, and the fact Cogito thinks the two may be related, and the mention of Rindskopf in Alfredo's post, I would love to know if anyone thinks Rindskopf may still be in the ring for this piece too.

I've got lucky with unexpected uranium recently - three pieces not advertised as such! The next post shows them all together.

Mystery Solved

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  1. Alfredo Alfredo, 2 years ago
    I AM PRETTY SURE THIS IS GERMAN POSHINGER. MY ONLY KRALIK HELIOS DOES NOT SHOW TRACES OF URANIUM, AND THE COLOR ARE FAR STRONGER: PEACH SWIRLS OVER HEAVY, THICK CITRON GLASS.
  2. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Thank you Alfredo!
    There doesn't seem to be a category for German art glass. What with all the Poschingers and the WMF Myra and Ikora, not to mention some of the others, maybe it's time!
    Thank you also, Vetraio50, for the love.
  3. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    Definitely Poschinger (Buchenau). This Helios-like decor serves as the base for a silver overlay with cabochons vase type, of which Al and I both own examples (see below):

    My example
    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/30747-ferdinand-von-poschinger-buchenau-cabo?in=user

    Al's example
    http://sites.google.com/site/loetzandglass/bavarian-jugendstil-glass
  4. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Good enough for me Cogito! With 2 votes from such eminent sources, I think that counts as solved.
    May I ask, is your example vaseline? (Alfredo stated in his post that his wasn't uv reactive.) I ask because the beautiful milky opalescent upper decor in your example, and indeed in Alfredo's both on CW and his own site, seem a nicer, creamier colour than mine. In person mine has that slight greenish tinge from the inner, vaseline glass layer, which is what threw me off.
  5. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    And thank you to vetraio50, Alfredo, miKKoChristmas11, austrohungaro, Obscurities, eye4beauty, czechman, cogito and Bellin68 for the loves.
    If you are going to carry on being so generous to me, I will have to ask your permission to do something about shortening some of these long names!
  6. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    The base glass is similar, but not exactly the same between our various examples. In Al and my examples the orange oil spots swirl around the bottom, while yours is more linear from the base. My example is slightly UV reactive, but certainly not to the extent of yours. A another great example of your Helios like decor (but with greenish top glass), which is in a documented Poschinger form can be found at the link below. I suspect Poschinger had many different variations of this Helios-like decor.

    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/52033-betty-hedrich-enameled-vase-for-ferdinan?in=user

  7. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Thank you Cogito - I see exactly what you mean about the difference between the swirl spots and my linear spots. These kind of variations drive me crazy - in my inexperience I struggle to see what is a significant difference and what is not. The presence of uranium in yours is the kind of obvious similarity I find very comforting :)
    As are the other photos! I hadn't connected the last picture in your other post, or indeed the large, in your face, can't miss it picture on page 34 of Passau V with my vase. Duh! Must try harder . . .
    I have a little green aventurin hinged lid pot with enamelled nasturtiums that I think might be Poschinger too. If you don't mind my asking for help, I may post it for your opinion. Between you and Bohemianglassandmore you should be able to put me straight, I reckon! Thanks again, LLL
  8. cogito cogito, 2 years ago
    Sure, post away! Marks are particularly helpful, if present.
  9. Alfredo Alfredo, 2 years ago
    MY TWO CENTS: CALLING THIS POSH LINE HELIOS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. HELIOS IS A RECOGNIZED KRALIK NAME, AND QUITE DISTINCTVE BY ITSLEF, ONE OF THE FEW LINES KRALIK EVER NAMED. LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS: A POSHINGER VERSION OF A KRALIK DECOR.
  10. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    I'm sorry Alfredo - of course you're right. It's my ignorance showing. Which is preferable - Helios-like or Helios-type? Helios-shift? Or is the reference to Helios itself unaceptable, even with the qualification? I could do with some kind of shorthand, unless that is entirely unacceptable, as this discussion is going on over two different posts.
  11. Alfredo Alfredo, 2 years ago
    BINGO! IT'S A KRALIK HELIOS DESIGN SHIFT MADE BY POSHINGER. WE HAVE LOETZ PAPILLON SHIFTS ALL OVER THE PLACE, BOTH KRALIK AND RINDSKOPF!
  12. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Great! Thank you.
  13. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    On the subject of attribution, Charcoal posted a page from Rosa Maria Tomas' wonderful site as a suggestion for one of my uranium pieces. This made me look at the other pages again, and there is a lovely vaseline piece at http://www.madforglass.es/kralik/rinds_118.html
    which seems, to my eye, to be very similar to this piece in terms of colour and the linear placing of the oil spots. Even the shape of the foot seems very similar. It is described as Kralik, but I don't know the basis of that attribitution other than the information on the home page of the web site - although obviously I know Sra Tomas is a very respected collector. Any thoughts?
  14. Alfredo Alfredo, 2 years ago
    SORRY BUT ROSA MARIA IS WRONG. THAT IS ALSO POSHINGER. BY THE WAY, SHE LIVES IN SPAIN!
  15. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    I thought Spain, hence the reference to Señora Tomas, rather than any other title!
    My geography is better than my glass knowledge - I hope - even if I have forgotten all the Spanish I ever learned. Still, one more piece to add to the Poschinger library. Momentum is building :)
  16. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Thank you manddmoir.
  17. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Thank you KS85
  18. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Thank you Scandi!
  19. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Thank you, ACQUA69.
  20. Londonloetzlearner Londonloetzlearner, 2 years ago
    Thank you, Toolate2 and Ho2cultcha.
  21. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 7 months ago
    Sorry i can't help you, but this is great, i didnt know you could get uranium pieces.
    I'll have to start looking out for them, I'd love it:)

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