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    Posted 3 years ago

    BillD
    (45 items)

    Hi, I have this Men's 10k yellow gold ring, I believe the symbol on the front is a Military Insignia. the ring is inscribed "Mother to Robert May 31, 1943 does any one know what the insignia represents? Thanks, Bill

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    1. SEAN68 SEAN68, 3 years ago
      beautiful ring!!
    2. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 3 years ago
      The symbol is the Ordnance "Flaming Bomb".

      http://www.goordnance.army.mil/73d/symbolism.html

      On this page it's listed under Branch Insignia:

      http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Catalog/Heraldry.aspx?HeraldryId=15356&CategoryId=9362&grp=2&menu=Uniformed%20Services&ps=24&p=0
    3. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      This version of the bomb I normally associate with the British Grenadier Guards.
    4. scottvez scottvez, 3 years ago
      This is NOT the US Ordnance Corps insignia as noted above.

      I am not familiar with the Grenadier Guards-- but would think that the UK is a good place to start.

      scott
    5. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 3 years ago
      This flaming bomb is almost exactly the same as the 1st cap & collar emblem used by the Dutch 34th SS Volunteer Granadier Division. It is a common ordnance symbols & assume this is a coincidence.
    6. TassieDevil TassieDevil, 3 years ago
      In Australia this is called a Flaming Grenade which is shared by Royal Aus Engineers and Royal Aus Artillery.
      The difference being Sappers have 9 flames and Gunners have 7 flames.
      This perhaps might help???

    7. TassieDevil TassieDevil, 3 years ago
      This looks like the maker's mark:
      Moore & Son Jewelry Maker's Mark
      Moore & Son, Inc.
      Newark NJ
      USA
      c.1886-1934

      30-34 Court St. Newark NJ
      http://aju.langantiques.com/?page_id=357&pdb=8915
    8. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 3 years ago
      The flaming bomb ordnance symbol, in general, is not restricted to one particular military organization nor is it restricted to a particular country. The depiction of the flaming bomb does differ, and that can help to identify it's military origin. Finding out the name of the goldsmith/company that made the ring would also help - so far, I haven't been able to find out who MI (arrow) is...

      http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=8682&page=1

      http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=8682&page=1

    9. TassieDevil TassieDevil, 3 years ago
      Bonnie....See the link I posted re maker.....
    10. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 3 years ago
      @Judy - I need more coffee, lol!! Interesting that the company is listed as being active between 1886 and 1934, and this ring is inscribed 1943.
    11. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 3 years ago
      @Judy -another website connected to Google books says the company operated from 1903 to the 1950s.

    12. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      The form on the ring is unfortunately well worn but:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_(insignia)

      The mark appears to be M and an anchor for Moore and Sons.

      Mum may well have bought the ring in the US for her son Robert for the event on May 31, 1943.
    13. Chrisnp Chrisnp, 3 years ago
      Originally I thought British Grenadier Guards as well. As pointed out, The Australians use a flaming grenade styled this way, as do the Canadians and countless others.

      I do believe, however, that based on the New Jersey manufacture, this is more likely American. In 1936, The US Army changed it's ordnance insignia from one that looked like this, to the more stylized flame. Both versions were used for years afterward, through WWII. The link here has an array of ordinance insignia in the upper right corner, to give you an idea of how the insignia has changed over the years.

      http://www.goordnance.army.mil/history/shell_flame.html

      Chris

    14. Efesgirl Efesgirl, 3 years ago
      I agree with Chris that this ring was likely purchased in the states for a US soldier.
      That date might also signify the day Robert returned home from the war.
    15. Dizzydave Dizzydave, 3 years ago
      Agree with Chris and Efesgirl, This is for a American Soldier, most likely Mother had this made special for Her Son and the difference is how the Flaming Bomb looks is nothing more than the Artist/Makers interpretation.

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