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    Posted 8 years ago

    BHock45
    (804 items)

    Here is the first knife I came across. There are two others. I can use as much info. as possible. Thanks!

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    1. scottvez scottvez, 8 years ago
      Nazi SA Dagger.

      Like all nazi items they are heavily reproduced.

      The patina on the metal on the handle looks odd. I don't know these well enough to give you an opinion on authenticity.

      scott
    2. mrmajestic1 mrmajestic1, 8 years ago
      I'm with scottvez, looks iffy to me also. Most I've ever seen have ebonized handle scales.
    3. BHock45 BHock45, 8 years ago
      Hey guys thanks for responding so quickly. Its totally possible this is a reproduction, let me go through his photos and see if I can't find some evidence. There are two other daggers I will post. They could very well be fakes also.
    4. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      "ebonized handle scales"? This is the SA(Brown Shirt) dagger & from pics appears orig.. The finish on the ones I know don't appear to have a truly "varnished" look to them but this has obviously been exposed more than any I have dealt with so can't really judge by that. My opinion without handling is that it is real. Appears to have even the correct markings on the hand guard. I have all the info somewhere if you have trouble getting it appraised.
    5. Militarist Militarist, 8 years ago
      looks like it could have been stored in a damp place for a long time.
    6. BHock45 BHock45, 8 years ago
      blunderbuss2 and militarist thank you for your opinions as well. I will continue to post the lot. Let's see what this will bring. Thanks!
    7. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      Did a little research & here is what I came up with. I noticed the lack of a "RZM" marking but that was not started until 1936. Many makers used a thicker varnish in the early years. Early models had better metal in the grip pieces, scabbard & hanger (often solid nickel). I can't quite make out the small marks on the guard above maker's mark but if you give it to me, I can tell you what area it was from. You have an original I'm certain. What colour was the orig. paint on the scabbard as that can tell a lot as most were brown but some were black.
    8. BHock45 BHock45, 8 years ago
      blunderbuss2, thanks so much for looking into this for me. I recall what you are talking about. When I looked it over earlier I saw these letters. They were:

      He
    9. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      "He" is Hesson. Is the scabbard laquered or anodized? It appears yours is from 1934 & before 1936. I'm sure you have the real thing.
    10. BHock45 BHock45, 8 years ago
      blunderbuss2 thanks so much for helping, really!! I will get back to you about the scabbard. If you have a second could you glance at the flags I posted? I know you don't do this anymore but you're knowledge is great. After that post I am done with this stuff too!!! I have some bullets, looks like a leather pilot cap with goggles or something, and a thick packet of pictures and letters. That is all. Thanks again everyone for the help tonight!!!!

      Flags: http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/81347-3-nazi-flags-help-please?in=user
    11. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      Have a French friend here who collects this stuff. I'll see him tomorrow & ask. The flags & all your stuff appears genuine to me from the pics..
    12. BHock45 BHock45, 8 years ago
      great thanks blunderbuss2 that would be great.
    13. mrmajestic1 mrmajestic1, 8 years ago
      I am wrong. This very well could be a original, and I apologize for my failure to recognize it.
    14. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      Showed all this to the "Frog" & he says he is getting rid of stuff like I am. Sorry.
    15. bluemax1914 bluemax1914, 8 years ago
      Looks good, early piece with a three-piece (rare) original hanger, rare maker, and nice blonde grip, Gau marked to "Hesse". Congrats on a great find!
    16. BHock45 BHock45, 8 years ago
      Hey everyone, I was wondering if someone could help me with one question. I am wondering which of my three daggers is the most valuable. I can only keep one. There is of course this one and these two:

      http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/81341-dagger-3
      http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/81340-dagger-2

      Regardless of the condition which is the most rare or the most valuable. Thanks so much!!!
    17. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 8 years ago
      My opinion is keep the SA dagger as it is real early & worth a lot more.
    18. BHock45 BHock45, 8 years ago
      Thank you blunderbuss2 for your quick response. I will of course do exactly that! Thanks so much for your help once again. Talk to you soon. Later.

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