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    Posted 4 years ago

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    I just found two of those in a Estate Sale. I love the design, and the way they have spaces on the sides, inside, where thumbs fit perfectly. I am wondering if those spaces were designed to make it easier to hold, and if they are little trays? I have no idea if the signs on the back mean anything, or what were those for. Anyone?

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    1. apostata apostata, 4 years ago
      i think this supposed to be Four-character mark abbreviated Zhi: Cheng hua nian zhi, (Made during the Chenghua reign (1465-1487)),

      something strange is going is going on , because in the right mark under is a dot

      because Chenghu porcelain is mostly made in the Xangxi 1661-1722, i ran this on Wucai and Kakiemon style , and transitional period , no match

      compared it to the revival pieces , no match

      so i don,t know, and i don,t know where it is used for
    2. cipele, 4 years ago
      Thank you so much for taking the time to look it up. I just uploaded a picture from the second one. There is no dot on this one. The dot on the previous one looks more like an imperfection, like a firing. Not a mark.
      I didn't know Chinese character marks could be abbreviated! Thanks for sharing!
    3. apostata apostata, 4 years ago
      in the second one is a symbol right under with also a dot in it, it is not an imperfection , but a part of the mark

      you don,t write Zhi: Cheng hua nian zhi, in the kangxi period ( Chengua apocryphal ) this way

      i think that is out of the equation concerning the timespan , i think what remains is a revival piece ( 1890-on)

      it must have some age , because there is some ferro sedimentation, i am guessing
    4. cipele, 4 years ago
      Oh! I see which dot you were referring to.
      The mystery remains :-D But this is all GREAT info!
      Thank you!!
    5. apostata apostata, 3 years ago
      no i am not satisfied with myself about this assessment, when my eyes heal , i start all over again , because this could be Japanese, probably take months

      addendum will the owner of a chinese plate with a silver grip ( basket ) please sign i , because i can date ( narrow it down on the dot ) ,i forgot where it is on the site
    6. cipele, 3 years ago
      oh! Thanks. I still haven't found any other info about them other than what you told me. I have pictures of both of the bowls bottoms here. What intrigues me also, is that on each side of them, inside, there are small recesses where the thumbs fit perfectly, on each side. Like if they were small "trays". They are lovely, and it would be nice to know.
    7. apostata apostata, 3 years ago
      don,t thank me for sloppy work , i blundered somewhere, i must have made some rooky mistake, this must be an japanese combination, because of he left mark on top, i probably never gonna find this its atypical to me, what the hell is the chengua mark in japanese porcelain doing
    8. apostata apostata, 3 years ago
      it is an japanese Dai min sei ka nen sei see LOT 26751697 catawiki , see there is a dot to much right under see also the left symbol on top , it,s an sort of bar under an roof ( let,s say faintly looking an Yongcheng F )

      so it looks like you are happy , i am happy , actually we are not out of the woods yet, because the garlands of the bottom don,t make sense , i think its later
      , not skilled enough to narrow it down
    9. apostata apostata, 3 years ago
      if i got time i will do it all over again , because i am not satisfied with my assesment,
    10. apostata apostata, 3 years ago
      it is an japanese abalone and the abalone is the Haliotis Gigantea, but we got an probleme , because the chengua mark is wrong , but the main probleme is the circles on the bottom are strange, to be time and periode you got to have on the bottom an single innercircle and a double outer circle next to the rim , so it,is probably then 1890

      sorry for the inconveniance greetins waki
    11. apostata apostata, 3 years ago
      correction it,s probably later than 1890
    12. cipele, 3 years ago
      OK, Thank you for taking the time. If you enjoy checking pieces, I have two more Asian pieces, probably also nothing special, but if you don't mind checking...
      Thanks for your help.

    13. apostata apostata, 2 years ago
      ARITA c.1750 – 1780 Japanese Porcelain
      A Set of Five Small 18th Century Arita Porcelain Awabi Dishes. Each Dish is Moulded in the Form of Abalone Shell (Haliotis Gigantea, Abalone or Sea-ear. Awabi in Japanese). Decorated in Underglaze Blue with Green, Red and Black Enamels, Embellished with Gilding. The Design Shows Abalone and other Sea-Shells and Plants. The Base with a Inaccurately Drawn Four Character Chenghua Mark (Chinese, Ming Dynasty, 1465-1487)


      Length : 16.5 cm (6 1/2 inches)
      Stock number
      For a group of 18th Century Japanese Porcelain shell dishes dish of this type dated to 1750-1780 see : Shibata Collection Part 4, The Establishment and Transformation of the Ko-Imari Style (The Kyushu Ceramic Museum, Saga Prefecture, Akihiko Shibata and Yuko Shibata and others.1995). Page 120 plates 214-219, plate 217 being the same design as the present example. The World In Colours, An Exhibition of Ceramics with Coloured Decoration Dating from 700 to 1920 Belonging to Member of the Oriental Ceramic Society (Oriental Ceramic Society,Commercial Colour Press Plc, 2006. ISBN 0-903421-27-5). Page 66, plate 133. Incorrectly described as 19th Century in the catalogue, there are later versions of this type known, but they date to the early 20th century. For another example see stock numbers 18447, 21260 and 22125.

      robert Macperson antigues analasis= oriental ceramics com

      still don,t trust too many experts opnions

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