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    Posted 2 months ago

    Blvalencia
    (1 item)

    What I know:
    - It’s a hand thrown pottery piece made in Safi, Morocco
    - it’s old
    - it’s beautiful
    What I don’t know:
    - just how old it is
    - what the writing is above the word “Safi”

    From my research, I have found similar vases that claim theirs are from the early 1900s; however, I can’t seem to find a way to know for sure. Are these people just guessing or do they have some secret place they’re finding this info?

    Thanks for any help!

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    Comments

    1. apostata apostata, 2 months ago
      cant substantiate, because the sampling is too small, to me as a rookie in islamis art , it makes complete sense the color blue is right its double signed and the corrosion is right something like 1900-1920
    2. apostata apostata, 2 months ago
      i can,t readthis but this type of double marking is 1900-194o
    3. Blvalencia Blvalencia, 2 months ago
      Apostata, thank you for your input! That gives me more confidence in the early 20th century approximation. I agree—the corrosion on the bottom and the crackling in the glaze are convincing signs to its antiquity.
    4. SueBe, 2 months ago
      I live in Southern Spain and have varipous old and newish pieces of Moroccan pottery. Can I suggest you google Safi Pottery and also look at some of the comments on Trip Advisor which of course are in English. m Theress a lot of it about of course. Hope this helps
    5. apostata apostata, 2 months ago
      strange advice, i think the only way is a databank and see the validated descprition and prices at legit auctions, my conclusion the sampling is to small
    6. apostata apostata, 2 months ago
      so you got to sample this double mark in combination with the type of blue to rule out the fakes
    7. Blvalencia Blvalencia, 2 months ago
      Apostata, may I send you more detailed pictures if you wouldn’t mind?

      I have googled till I’m blue and it is so hard to come up with anything substantial.
      Do you have any suggestions for a good databank to seek out?
      Thank you.
    8. apostata apostata, 2 months ago
      the point is you have to subscribe which is rather expensive at least 95 dollars so it is only worth while when you are a pro probably , but i am buyer and and an seller at auctions , so i got deals , i collector got a database , but a lot of stuff bounces , its hard to get a good sampling, because this piece wil bounce at almost any auction, because it won,t make the cut and you have to converse probably english pounds to dirham as a buyer, i saw it in artprice among other things for 420 dirham lets say , something like 48 dollars , just one bidder

      please don,t send photo,s i am between operations and i got 8-15 request a day about artifacts , not that i am skilled , because i am not skilled in arabic art , but give me tools i and i finished the job , but i am completely exhausted
    9. carmenisacat carmenisacat, 2 months ago
      Well it is a hard to read inscription even in Arabic. It is ...ma, tha, ra and then maybe a b. Could be mathrib which makes no sense. It would be maghrib if the letter was in the other direction which would be Arabic for Morocco. I'm thinking it might even be written by a person who is not able to actually write in Arabic but speaks it (fairly common especially in the old days) and tried to write Maghrib but made a mistake. Your best bet would probably be Arabic for Morocco, written wrong.
    10. apostata apostata, 2 months ago
      i am a mustashar , but too lazy to asked my umma, because i only did shahada, so can,t read it
    11. Blvalencia Blvalencia, 2 months ago
      Carmenisacat,
      Thank you for your feedback! I think your conclusion makes a lot of sense, especially if it is indeed from early 20th century.
      This has all been so helpful!
    12. Blvalencia Blvalencia, 2 months ago
      Apostata,
      I completely understand not wanting more of your time and energy drained.
      Your help thus far has been wonderful and I am very grateful.

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