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Posted 1 year ago

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stwillia76
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I would love to know anything about these. It seems to be ivory and its about 2" tall. Not sure as to what the 2 holes are for in the back. Is it really a Netsuke? It is signed?

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  1. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    About netzukes

    https://www.isa-appraisers.org/content/documents/n._sandfield_netsuke_handout.pdf
  2. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    NO! It is a Calligraphy water dropper or SUITEKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1mSWrev8ZA
    See demonstration on youtube--The 2 holes identify this.
    see on youtube "waterdropper, jumpting frog."
  3. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    NO! It is a Calligraphy water dropper or SUITEKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1mSWrev8ZA
    See demonstration on youtube--The 2 holes identify this.
    see on youtube "waterdropper, jumping frog."
  4. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    Correct above--corrected spelling
  5. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    SUITEKI---WATER DROPPER--CALLIGRAPHY TOOL
  6. scottvez scottvez, 1 month ago
    It is a netzuke-- kyra's link will be helpful.

    scott
  7. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    PCC! Not only water droppers have 2 holes....... Nose, hunting gun, and..... More! ;-D
  8. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    See the link I posted above on youtube--It really is a calligraphy tool called a Suiteki, and there is a demonstration there using a very similar one as shown-- I too, have one, in old metal, and if you check google you'll see same type as this--maybe even the same one under" water dropper Suiteki." Now it is certainly possible the item COULD be used both ways!!
    No matter--it is really nice!!!Call it as you perceive it as itpresents to you and your knowledge. I have done the same. We are enjoying ourselves and this is not "deadly" Hee Hee. Thanks for reading this.
  9. scottvez scottvez, 1 month ago
    ... and netsukes!

    scott
  10. scottvez scottvez, 1 month ago
    The most noticeable difference is this netsuke has no reservoir to store water-- original poster can clear up quickly by confirming that there are two connected holes vice any water storage area.

    Additionally, I suspect that the slight amount of water that could be put into the holes will not stay as it is laid on the head.

    scott
  11. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    Right! Water droppers are hollow!
  12. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    He could eyedropper water into holes and see if it is taken in.... VERY GOOD IDEA!!
    The demo on youtube is really interesting. I was happy to see it there.
    Netsukes are better known. They hung from robes as you know.But did they have a purpose at all? They are highly collected.--not so much the water droppers made for a specific purpose. A good discussion is always so interesting and informative. Hi-5 Scott.
  13. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    Purpose was to hold pouch or box (Inro) hanging from the belt (Obi) as shown :
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Netsuke-p1030001.jpg/220px-Netsuke-p1030001.jpg
  14. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    Back at cha!
  15. stwillia76 stwillia76, 1 month ago
    Hello. I have the piece in hand. I haven't look at the youtube yet. It is not hollow and the holes are connected.
  16. Belltown Belltown, 1 month ago
    Here's an article we published on this topic a few years back:

    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/the-folklore-and-fashion-of-japanese-netsuke-an-interview-with-christine-drosse/
  17. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    Thanks OAS!
    Belltown, many thanks for the link! I missed the article and will keep it in notes :-)
  18. stwillia76 stwillia76, 1 month ago
    I've looked at the article. Are the holes in the right place? I don't see any circles around the holes. It is signed? I still dont know if it is Japanese or Chinese. I'm more confused now lol.
  19. stwillia76 stwillia76, 1 month ago
    I have another one of a man carrying a woman on back. Same signatures. I am hoping these are not fake. I believe they are ivory or another kind of bone. You can see the grain. I was also hoping these were old and not repos done in the 70's. How can I really know?
  20. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    No doubt, it is ivory :-)
    You could visit this site and see if there is a forum for identification:
    http://www.netsuke.org/
  21. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    Lit. water-dropper. A small container used to hold the water which is added to the inkstone *suzuri ? during the grinding of the ink stick. Water-droppers may be made of copper, jade and stone, but ceramic are the most popular. Depending on their size and shape, water-droppers may also be termed suichuu ??, suichuujou ??? (also suijou ??), suiu ?? or senjo ??. More specifically, a suiteki has two small holes for water and air and is designed so that only a few drops of water can fall at one time.
  22. TubeAmp TubeAmp, 1 month ago
    Only problem PCC is the spacing of the holes is consistent with a netsuke. It's also ivory, which is consistent with netsukes but not with a Suiteki. There is also the problem Scott drew your attention to, not enough room to hold water to even make it worthwhile to use.

    T A
  23. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    My best advise is to have someone actually examine it that has great knowledge of Oriental collectibles and antiques. Pictures can't compare with having the actual item in hand.There are so many variables to consider. Maybe you might try Googling such as specialist in your area or zip code and take a trip to satisfy yourself. All the best!! And Good Luck!
  24. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    PCC, I bet a whole week alone with your Indian on my (and Scott's and T.a.'s !) netzuke id ;-)
  25. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    I bet 10 min (all I need) with Rudolph Valentino. Hee Hee--- Well, we can agree to disagree about what it is. Not really a matter of life or death. We won't be "hanging it" or "sprinkling" it. Right?? HUGS!
  26. katherinescollections katherinescollections, 1 month ago
    *sits on the couch with OAS and a bowl of karma popcorn*

  27. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    Ugh and hugs PCC :-)
    Katherine, LOOOL :-D
  28. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    WHO ME? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!
  29. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    I am sooo glad you wrote this.
  30. kyratango kyratango, 1 month ago
    All my apologies for that, Stwillia, please feel free to delete my digressions from original subject :-/
  31. stwillia76 stwillia76, 1 month ago
    Nah I'm all for a good time. Thanks a lot for all the info. I still don't know if I have a good investment or not, lol. I'd love to know when it was made.
  32. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 1 month ago
    Happy for your sense of humor Stwillia. I have been in good spirits and not distracted by diversity. CW is a great place and even tho opinions can differ--that is just a part of daily life here, as long as we are cheerful,. If you would like to delete my comments, that is not going to cause me a problem. The piece is beautiful and you can't help but love it. And really, that is the bottom line. I did make a point to say this would be better of to have a personal inspection with a dealer with knowledge as he has it in his vision and his hand. That way--the "real item" will speak to the "real life" beholder. and again "good luck with that"
    If you send photos to Sotheby's Auction (fill paperwork out online at their site,) they may take a look --and it is free. They did for an Asian item I had.

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