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    Posted 7 years ago

    JMVoboril
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    I bought this table at an auction several years ago just because I thought it was so unique. The top appears to be very weathered leather. It is 17 1/2" tall, and 17 1/2" x 23". The wood carving appears to be very intricate and hand done. Is this a form of Tramp Ar

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    1. senchi senchi, 7 years ago
      Such a gorgeous details!
    2. fionablack fionablack, 7 years ago
      Wow that's a gorgeous table
    3. Zowie Zowie, 7 years ago
      Just love this table could the top be restored with some wax
    4. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 7 years ago
      This is so imperfect that it is perfect. I will let my apprentice add comments. I wouldn't touch it based on pictures. Interesting piece and a good place to learn.
    5. JMVoboril, 7 years ago
      I greatly appreciate all the comments. I've had a few people tell me to do this or that with it over the years but there was no way I was touching it. It just screams, "touch me with anything other than a soft cloth and you will be sorry". Recommendations on how best to maintain its current condition? Away from windows or dry/humid conditions?
    6. MayBhere, 7 years ago
      I wonder if you can post photos of the under side? Maybe the joints? I would agree this is imperfect in terms of carving but I would like to see more. If not possible that is OK.
    7. JMVoboril, 7 years ago
      I just took some more pictures. I'm assuming I need to make a new post?
    8. JMVoboril, 7 years ago
      I removed one of the pictures and added 2 other ones. The nails do not look old. I think at some point someone tried to do a repair?
    9. MayBhere, 7 years ago
      You would be correct, the nails are not at all old. Neither is the table.
    10. JMVoboril, 7 years ago
      I must respectfully disagree that the table itself is not old, but I guess one could always debate what "old" is. I'm certainly no expert, which is why I am inquiring here, but I am also not completely naive. I appears as though part of the under portion has been worked on or replaced, however the wear patterns on the top and sides appear exquisitely natural. There are no nails or nail holes anywhere but underneath where someone used the "old nail looking" pegs in their attempt to fix the bottom. This tells me that the rest of it is likely tongue -n- groove, but without taking it apart I'm not able to confirm. It is solid wood with no overlay or laminate. Another piece to the puzzle that I am taking into consideration, acknowledging that it is by no means proof positive, but the estate auction I purchased it at, was nothing but "old" stuff.

      Like I said, I'm not the expert, which is why I'm here however a good debate may prove to be a wonderful learning experience. I would ask you to share the reasons you believe it is "not at all old". I sincerely appreciate your input.
    11. upstatenycollector upstatenycollector, 7 years ago
      I wouldn't call this "tramp art". That usually refers to p piece carved geometrically, which is easier to do (and make come out symmetrical) than what you have . Also, the spindles have been turned, where tramp art is usually just carved. My guess is that this was made by a talented amateur in their home workshop, with some hand tools for the carving and maybe a Shopsmith multipurpose tool, which were very popular from the late 40s through the 60s. And he was a very good hand at carving! One of the things I base this on is that the turnings don't look like they match exactly, where they would in a factory built piece. Who ever built it put a lot of work and love into it, Enjoy!
    12. JMVoboril, 7 years ago
      Thank you upstate!
    13. Zowie Zowie, 7 years ago
      I always go with my gut & if it says don't touch then leave it alone if your happy what difference does it make to anyone else. It is yours. When I suggested wax I di mean Bee's wax which is most probably the last thing to do that's why I'm here to learn.
    14. ho2cultcha ho2cultcha, 7 years ago
      i think you may be asking whether this is considered 'chip carving', which is considered a kind of folk art. i think that your table is either Spanish or Mexican. it looks like quite a few pieces which are still made in Mexico today. The leather work is less common and very beautiful. the reason i think it is not that old [less than 100 yrs old], is that the pieces of wood appear to be machine cut before the carving was done. i think it was done by a professional, but in a small shop somewhere. the wood appears to be oak - which is not all that easy to carve [compared to mahogany]. i think that the suggestion of cleaning it w/ a little murphy's oil soap is a good one and when it is dry, you can add some beeswax. you aren't going to harm this table if you don't drop or pound it. i'd figure out what to use on the leather, because if you don't treat it w/ something, it's bound to get brittle and crack over time. i certainly wouldn't soak the leather in water or even murphy's oil soap. the suggestion of the glass is a very good one too. it's a beautiful table!
    15. surfdub66 surfdub66, 7 years ago
      To me this looks to be a lovely little carved table , looks like oak and to me the carving looks English especially the roses... (I say this because I had a table with a similar carved pattern which I bought from auction which was listed as a late victorian early Edwardian carved & turned oak side table ) it was slightly larger than yours going by the pics but very similar..
      im no expert , just telling what I know ..
      i also know that sometimes some people fix things in their own way hence the nails!!! & maybe the top but its still a period piece and I love it !!! ;-))
    16. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 7 years ago
      Those cut nails are certainly way out of place. The top should have sat on a ledge or lip if it was removable. I would seriously question putting glass over the top because of humidity and condensation which will cause moisture and promote mold growth.
    17. Nadisse, 6 years ago
      This table is beautiful! Did you find any information out about it?
      If authentic, My guess would be very late Colonian Style (shortly after 1780 or so), though the nails should have been made 1790's or later, so maybe just a home workshop project after but made in this style? But based on the uneven cuts for the flowers, spindles and non-uniform nail heads, the use of leather, and overall cuts and style, could be Colonial era.
      Whether authentic Colonial era or a home project completed sometime after, I'd say this is 'old' and it is quite beautiful. Wonderful find. :)

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