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    Posted 6 months ago

    Vynil33rpm
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    I got a Square deal at The Pullem
    All four Sides
    Now you to can see ,four sides
    of The Pullem Hotel .
    in Hot Springs Ark.

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    1. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Vynil33rpm, Whoops, ya scooped me on that third photo. :-)
    2. Vynil33rpm Vynil33rpm, 6 months ago
      KERAMIKOS I enjoyed the investigative reporting on the Pullem hotel in Hot Springs Arkansas
      My Hot Springs Story is
      I was a 16 y.o. Longhair
      For no particular reason
      I Hitchhiked to
      Hot Springs ,Ark.
      1971
      Saturday night ended up
      Whole High Scl. Football team
      Chased the long hair
      For no Particular reason
    3. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Vynil33rpm, You poor child that was. >8-0
    4. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      The answer to the question about when the Hotel Pullman disappeared:

      *snip*

      The Pullman closed and was demolished in the late 1960s; the site today is a parking lot.

      *snip*

      https://books.google.com/books?id=CyaCiovQiScC&pg=PT78&lpg=PT78&dq=hotel+pullman+hot+springs&source=bl&ots=HY4xiFySzS&sig=I42OLJ6bOvMBAS21BUPqT2ggmBI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqkvCht5DfAhXumq0KHWDkAq04HhDoATADegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=hotel%20pullman%20hot%20springs&f=false

      https://books.google.com/books?id=CyaCiovQiScC&dq=hotel+pullman+hot+springs&source=gbs_navlinks_s

      And apparently, it wasn't in the 400 block of Central Avenue:

      *snip*

      The Hotel Pullman was a 100-room, Mediterranean-style hotel that stood at 504 Central Avenue, across from the Buckstaff Bathhouse.

      *snip*

      https://books.google.com/books?id=R6jCAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=hotel+pullman+hot+springs&source=bl&ots=MM5B8MV-2r&sig=lL2v7ERTdD9791xLHj872uzZc8A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqkvCht5DfAhXumq0KHWDkAq04HhDoATAEegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=hotel%20pullman%20hot%20springs&f=false

      https://books.google.com/books?id=R6jCAgAAQBAJ&dq=hotel+pullman+hot+springs&source=gbs_navlinks_s

      Here's the location in June 2017:

      https://www.google.com/maps/place/504+Central+Ave,+Hot+Springs,+AR+71901/@34.5124804,-93.0545111,3a,75y,110.77h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUkCGIDZc6QM_LVjtG7XlDA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DUkCGIDZc6QM_LVjtG7XlDA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D392%26h%3D106%26yaw%3D110.7673%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x87cd2b00e4c6d3bb:0x2d2495a203a2e7d9!8m2!3d34.5124769!4d-93.054432?hl=en

      Now maybe I can let go of my obsession with the disappearance of the Hotel Pullman.

      Of course, there's the matter of the discrepancy in the number of the building's stories as seen in the pictures above. The likeliest explanation is that the hotel was rebuilt on a more modest scale after the 1894 fire, but hmmm...
    5. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Apparently, I can't let the Hotel Pullman go just yet. I'm troubled by the discrepancy in the number of stories/floors depicted in the four images in this post.

      The first and the fourth images, both postcard drawings, have six stories, including an apparent penthouse, however, the second image shows five stories.

      That discrepancy might be accounted for by the hotel having been rebuilt after the 1894 fire, however, the third image is a photograph, and that shows four stories.

      That photograph seems to be the same one in the Library of Congress, and described as circa 1900/1901:

      http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2016808451/

      While it's not impossible for a photograph of that era to have been a trick, I tend to trust it more than I do the postcards.

      Here's a drawing of the Hotel Pullman showing four stories (from a book published in 1913):

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/internetarchivebookimages/14590651009/

      So...I just dunno what the makers of that one beautiful colored linen post card were up to when they depicted the Pullman with five stories.

      Perhaps they were 'inspired' by the similar, five story Marquette Hotel:

      https://www.cardcow.com/422421/marquette-hotel-springs-arkansas/

      Which was destroyed in a fire, but rebuilt, and exists to this day as the Riviera Hotel:

      http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=7957

      http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/media-detail.aspx?mediaID=10206

      https://www.google.com/maps/place/719+Central+Ave,+Hot+Springs,+AR+71901/@34.5097873,-93.054057,3a,75y,107.86h,113.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXhbOSCgV3eEU4J9fbxK2yg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x87cd2b015db86013:0x3a5c106736da1ade!2s719+Central+Ave,+Hot+Springs,+AR+71901!3b1!8m2!3d34.5097347!4d-93.0537664!3m4!1s0x87cd2b015db86013:0x3a5c106736da1ade!8m2!3d34.5097347!4d-93.0537664?hl=en

      *shrug*
    6. Ms.CrystalShip Ms.CrystalShip, 6 months ago
      All in All it's sad...
      A once beautiful landmark hotel demolished for a parking lot... Sigh :(
    7. Ms.CrystalShip Ms.CrystalShip, 6 months ago
      Vynil, "being chased"...
      Was that some of the trouble you encountered in the south?
      Hippie hating @:&holes!
    8. Vynil33rpm Vynil33rpm, 6 months ago
      C.Ship ,yes a little like EZ rider meets
      Hot Springs H.S. Football
    9. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Ms.CrystalShip, Apparently they razed a whole block of old buildings on Central Avenue before concerned citizens mobilized to preserve history.
    10. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Vynil33rpm, Well, at least you're alive to tell the tale. Did they harm you, other than put the fear of injury/death in you?

      Despite being a resort town, Hot Springs, AR must not have been very cosmopolitan back in 1971. I lived in the South in the early seventies, and recall more than a few long-haired boys in my school. I don't recall them getting hassled, but then I wasn't ever in the boys' locker room.
    11. Vynil33rpm Vynil33rpm, 6 months ago
      KERAMIKOS,Wait a minute
      I was not in locker room I was
      Hitchhiking from New Orleans
      The football teem on a loosening
      Night,, love the Pullem Investigating you’ve done
    12. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Vynil33rpm, I'm glad you're enjoying the Hotel Pullman investigation, seeing as it's your post. };-)

      I think I need to go back and look at some of those historic aerial photographs, and see if I can get an answer on the stories story. You know, just to ease my mind. >8-0

      BTW, I didn't think that you were in a locker room with the football team back in 1971; I was merely intimating that just because I never saw the long-haired boys getting hassled at my school doesn't mean it didn't happen.

      So the team had a bad night on the field, and tried to take their 'disappointment' out on a stranger, huh? Not good.
    13. Brunswick Brunswick, 6 months ago
      "They Paved Paradise..And Put Up A Parking Lot"-Joni Mitchell.
      Keramikos, Entertaining Investigation! Sort of reminds me of the Lady in the TV series, 'Criminal Minds', the character at the computer, looking up all the data. Intriguing your eye catching onto the Heighth thing going on here with story levels.

      Thomas.
    14. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      OK, I count four stories in this circa 1900 picture:

      *snip*

      This c. 1900 photo, taken while looking north on a still-unpaved Central Avenue, vividly shows the distinct differences in how the two sides of the street developed. On the right is the tree-lined walk that passes by a dozen bath houses; on the left are blocks of tightly packed shops and hotels. Visible at the far left is one of the few remaining wood-sided shops, most likely from the 1870s, housing O'Brien & Olivey's men's clothing shop. The taller, peaked building in the center of photo is the Pullman Hotel [sic]; just beyond it is Sorrells Drug Store, and in the far distance is the Palace Hotel. (Photo courtesy of Arkansas History Commission.)

      *snip*

      https://books.google.com/books?id=Rb2-HU0k3bIC&lpg=PT60&dq=hotel%20pullman%20hot%20springs%20ar&pg=PT53#v=snippet&q=This%20C.%201900%20photo%2C%20taken%20while%20looking%20north&f=false
    15. Vynil33rpm Vynil33rpm, 6 months ago
      KERAMIKOS look at Picture 1 and 4
      Look at the Windows ,they got Shorter
      On the side
      Same Windows shaded
      On Pullem face
    16. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      This other circa 1900 picture shows four stories:

      *snip*

      The photo above looks down Bath Street from Exchange Street, a side street running between the Pullman Hotel [sic] to the right and Sorrell's Drug Store to the left; both of these face out onto Central Avenue, with the Army & Navy Hospital on the hillside across the street, The photo, take from the front of the Milwaukee Hotel, offers a look at what a commanding presence the hospital would have had for patron of either establishment. To the left a small sign offers furnished rooms, indicative of the budget accommodations scattered throughout Hot Springs. This photo appeared C. 1900. (Courtesy of Arkansas History Commission.)

      *snip*

      https://books.google.com/books?id=Rb2-HU0k3bIC&lpg=PT60&dq=hotel%20pullman%20hot%20springs%20ar&pg=PT53#v=onepage&q=Bath%20Street%20from%20Exchange%20&f=false

      Sure would be nice, though, to see some photos taken both earlier and later than 1900.

      Well, there is this December 2016 Street View (much, much later):

      https://www.google.com/maps/@34.512626,-93.0547533,3a,75y,97.59h,86.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0y79OX_NgiUQePiIfYQEnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
    17. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Well, I found an envelope postmarked 1897 depicting the Hotel Pullman as having four stories, including the penthouse:

      https://picclick.com/Hot-Springsarkansas1897-Illust-Advt-Hotel-Pullman-Cover-To-192728579346.html

      A circa 1910 post card shows it with four:

      https://picclick.com/Hot-Springs-AR-Looking-South-on-Central-Ave-352505814553.html

      But then a post card postmarked 19401(!) shows it with five (hmmm, do those automobiles look like 1941 vintage?):

      https://picclick.com/Postcard-AR-Hot-Springs-National-Park-Hotel-Pullman-263942960709.html

      So, I dunno. These are all drawings, not photographs.
    18. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Ms.CrystalShip, Brunswick, They unpaved the parking lot, and put up -- well, not Paradise, but a new building at 504 Central Avenue, the site of the Hotel Pullman:

      http://www.hotsr.com/news/2017/oct/20/proposed-downtown-building-clears-first/

      https://hotspringsdowntown.com/2018/10/downtown-update-october-19/

      *snip*

      Ken Wheatley stands in the parking lot he owns across from Bathhouse Row in downtown Hot Springs and talks about the future.

      It has been almost half a century since a building was constructed across from the bathhouses, and Wheatley plans to change that. He will build a two-story facility adjacent to the Gangster Museum of America that will contain retail spaces on the first floor and Wheatley's home on the second floor. That's right, his home. The Wheatley family long has controlled much of the commercial space along this stretch of Central Avenue, and Wheatley believes the future is dependent on attracting more residents to the neighborhood. He's putting his money where his mouth is by selling his current home and moving downtown.

      *snip*

      Wheatley's great-uncle was the legendary Hill Wheatley, who bought property downtown through the decades and put his name on buildings along Central Avenue. Hill Wheatley worked from a desk in the lobby of the Downtowner Motor Inn, which has gone by The Springs Hotel since 2006. Hill Wheatley, who manned his lobby desk daily until his late 90s, had only a grade-school education. He was known as being a tight-fisted businessman who would buy old buildings at a discount and then hang on to them for decades. Many Hot Springs residents believe the steady deterioration of the downtown business district occurred because Hill Wheatley wouldn't renovate the buildings he owned. Ken Wheatley, however, thinks a number of those historic buildings would have been torn down under other owners.

      *snip*

      https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/dec/27/a-new-wheatley-building-20171227/
    19. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Brunswick, BTW, I had to look up that TV show, because I don't think I'd ever seen it. :-)
    20. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Vynil33rpm, Whoops, sorry I didn't see your new comment yesterday before I commented myself.

      Yeah, I noticed that those two postcard images had some of the same window shaded open. Probably some copying went on. It could have been a copyright problem, unless both cards were published by the same company and/or artist.

      Dunno how many postcards those artists turned out in, say, a year's time, but maybe it was common practice to borrow elements from other post cards. You probably noticed other differences like the change of season in the tree leaves, the flag, etc.

      And yeah, the perspectives seem kinda screwy, especially when you compare them with the photograph.

      My mother made a palette knife painting many years ago that I liked (love that technique), but she got rid of it, because she said the perspective was off.

      Well, I suppose that if I want to solve the riddle of the Hotel Pullman stories, I might have to enlist some local aid.
    21. keramikos keramikos, 6 months ago
      Just nosing around. The Garland County property record for 504 Central Avenue, Hot Springs, AR:

      *snip*

      Deed Transfers
      Deed Date Book Page Deed Type Stamps Est. Sale Grantee Code Type
      12/8/1997 1765 519 Warr. Deed WHEATLEY FAMILY LIMITED Unval.
      12/30/1994 1590 293 Trust Deed WHEATLEY, KENNETH R Unval.
      1/7/1992 1416 884 Warr. Deed WHEATLEY, HILL A. TRUSTEE
      1/1/1901 1021 0447 WHEATLEY, HILARY A. Unval.

      *snip*

      https://www.actdatascout.com/RealProperty/ParcelView

      So the records go back pretty far (January 1st, 1901), but not as far as when the Hotel Pullman was first built (1891). And boy howdy, the Wheatley family does own a lot of real estate in Hot Springs. >8-0

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