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    Posted 2 months ago

    billretire…
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    This is what it might be Lisa, an antique Japanese Cloisonne Chrysanthemum Vase, it could be a copy or Honor piece, that's not as old, but still well made. It's 7 1/4" tall, 2 3/4"across the top, 5" at the widest, and 3" across the bottom, and unmarked! I'll put a link in comments, to a similar one, but there's a few of them like it too, dates and makers differ, and I don't know Cloisonne well enough to tell!
    Thank you Lisa for asking for a closer look! :^D

    Thank you for looking all comments are welcome! Please Stay Safe, and Keep others Safe too, simple Wear A Mask! :^)

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    1. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Here's the link to a similar Vase:

      http://antiquefinejapanese.com/antique-japanese-cloisonne-6-chrysanthemums-vase-meiji-silver-wires-fine-shape.htm

      Thanks for looking I don't know enough about Cloisonne to tell the differences between these tow Vases! :^D
    2. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thanks much for the love aura! :^)
    3. Newfld Newfld, 2 months ago
      Gorgeous chrysanthemum design, I really love this vase Bill
    4. Congcu, 2 months ago
      Very nice find. Appears to be wireless Japanese clooisonne. See: https://www.bing.com/search?q=%2bwireless+japanese+cloiosonne&filters=rcrse%3a%221%22&FORM=RCRE
    5. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thanks Jenni, thinking that it was Glass, I was more surprised that it was Cloisonne! :^D

      Congcu, thanks for the link, I need find out how Cloisonne is done, this Vase dose have some wire in it, but so fine that it's hard to see! :^D

      Thank you all for taking a look and for the love that you gave, for what you saw, Jenni, the 2 Kevin's(kwqd) and (vetraio50), and Karen, it's appreciated! :^)
    6. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Hey SEAN, thank you for taking a look, and for the love that you gave! :^)
    7. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thank you again Brian, for the love, it's always nice to get! :^)
    8. truthordare truthordare, 2 months ago
      I can tell the difference, this is a vintage piece, Ando produced and exported to USA right up to 1980s. The tell tale sign is the kind of metal used for the rims and bases.

      By post 1950s you could find similar cloisonne vases with nickel rims. This is one of those. The chrysanthemum is the honored flower to celebrate the Fall season in Japan, this is also done in China.

      Thank you Bill, love the close-ups. The wireless cloisonne enamel applications was a secret, today there are several potential explanations, but there is no consensus.
    9. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thank you Lisa, this vase that I found is so much like mine, except it's smaller, only 4", and mine is just over 7":

      https://lrantiques.com/products-page/jp/enamel-cloisonne-vase-with-chrysanthemums-japan-c-1912-26/

      But this one they're saying c 1912-26, and I guess without seeing them together, and knowing, I can't tell the difference! Is there a difference, or . . . ? :^D
    10. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thank you for the love that you gave Lisa, it's appreciated! :^)
    11. truthordare truthordare, 2 months ago
      Hi Bill,
      I have my doubts about the whole listing being accurate, your vase is bigger nicer and about the same time period, 1970-80.
      The wire is silver threads for the motif, which turn sort of a yellow with slight tarnish.

      The listing of the small vase says 4 inches with a weight of 2 pounds, unless it is a heavy metal, that is not possible. Either bigger or lighter.

      The vase you linked seems to be in worse condition, dent in upper rim, and some roughness or oxidation. Also the shape proportions altered over the 20th, this chunkier style is post 1950, like yours.

      Maybe I should do a post to show the difference, as I have a lot of images still from the collection of cloisonne I had. Youre welcome Bill, this is the best part, the sharing.
    12. truthordare truthordare, 2 months ago
      see this one, 6 inches, slender, 1 pound, and dating is accurate.

      https://lrantiques.com/products-page/jp/cloisonne-vase-with-peony-flower-nagoya-c-a-1912-1926/
    13. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Yeah Lisa, I see that all the time. Too often someone posts an item for sale, and puts the wrong information, another sees it, and posts for their item the same information, it perpetuates from there next thing Wikipedia has it listed that way, and history is recreated! :^O That's why I like CW, I think we try to search for the truth or dare to be proven wrong! :^D Thank You!
      Yes, those 2 vases, from the same site, are different from each other, yet listed with the same information, So was the vase with the correct information, just a lucky guess, and the wrong one, claiming to be the same? :^l Just sayin! :^D

      renedijkstra, thank you for your comment, we need all the information that we can get! :^D

    14. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thank you for stopping by for a look Rich, and dvolgenau4, and for the love that you both gave! :^)
    15. Elisabethan Elisabethan, 2 months ago
      What can I say? FANTASTIC!!!!!
    16. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thank you Elisabethan, I think it's pretty Fantastic too! :^D

      Thanks much for the love that you both gave, Pascale, and Elisabethan, it's appreciated! Stay Safe and Wear a Mask! :^)
    17. billretirecoll billretirecoll, 2 months ago
      Thanks much for the love that you gave Mrstyndall! :^D Wear a Mask, and Take Care! :^)

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