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    Posted 2 years ago

    OLECODY
    (16 items)

    Lenox silver overlay tea/coffee set I know very little about this company joined a Lenox site on face book trying to find more info got no responses any help would be appreciated do not know if allowed but a replacement value would also be greatly appreciated

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    1. kivatinitz kivatinitz, 2 years ago
      bellísimo
    2. keramikos, 2 years ago
      OLECODY, No joy from the Lenox group on FB, huh?

      FWIW, I got bupkes when I tried searching Replacements dot com with a picture. Same thing with Google Lens. :-(

      Per theoldstuff dot com website, that back stamp should be 1906-1930:

      https://www.theoldstuff.com/images/phocagallery/Lenox/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_green_lenox_mark.jpg

      https://www.theoldstuff.com/en/porcelain-marks/category/245-lenox-marks

      Judging from the size and shape of the pot, it might have been designed for chocolate.
    3. OLECODY OLECODY, 2 years ago
      Thanks keramikos for trying I greatly appreciate the effort I got a few likes from the Lenox group but that was it Never thought of a chocolate set maybe or it could of been used for all three
    4. OLECODY OLECODY, 2 years ago
      Thanks kivatinitz
    5. keramikos, 2 years ago
      I decided to do a bit more research on tea versus coffee versus chocolate pots, and what a rabbit hole:

      https://afinecollection.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/coffee-pot-1850s/

      *snip*

      I thought the rule was that you can’t be sure if it’s a chocolate pot, regardless of the shape, unless it has a hole in the cover for a stirrer.

      *snip*

      https://afinecollection.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/teapot-and-chocolate-pot-circa-1900/

      Here's a chocolate pot where the hole in the cover isn't obvious (hint: you have to remove the knob from the cover):

      https://www.1stdibs.com/en-gb/furniture/dining-entertaining/pitchers/very-rare-german-augsburg-chocolate-pot-circa-1725/id-f_2804642/

      Here's a circa 1800 French or Dutch chocolate pot with its moulinet:

      https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/dining-entertaining/more-dining-entertaining/french-dutch-brass-chocolate-pot-circa-1800/id-f_3549212/

      And here is a molinillo (the Mexican version of the moulinet), and the song to sing when stirring one's chocolate:

      *snip*

      Bate, bate, chocolate,
      tu nariz de cacahuate.
      Uno, dos, tres, CHO!
      Uno, dos, tres, CO!
      Uno, dos, tres, LA!
      Uno, dos, tres, TE!
      Chocolate, chocolate!
      Bate, bate, chocolate!
      Bate, bate, bate, bate,
      Bate, bate, CHOCOLATE!

      *snip*

      (translation via Google Translate)

      Shake, shake Chocolate,
      your peanut nose
      One, two, three, CHO!
      One, two, three, CO!
      One, two, three, LA!
      One, two, three, YOU!
      Chocolate Chocolate!
      Shake, shake Chocolate!
      Beat, beat, beat, beat,
      Shake, shake Chocolate!

      https://www.homesicktexan.com/mexican-hot-chocolate-and-molinillo/

      So, I dunno, your pot might not have been designed for chocolate, but I suspect it wasn't designed for tea. };-)
    6. OLECODY OLECODY, 2 years ago
      Keramikos holy moly you went down a bunch of rabbit holes thank you so much think you are right it is a tea set I know silver overlay was popular from the early 1890s until around 1910 thinking from that time period
    7. keramikos, 2 years ago
      Yeah, I did, but they were enjoyable rabbit holes. };-)

      Ultimately, there are no absolute rules about beverage serving pots, but the conventional 'wisdom' is that coffee and chocolate pots are usually taller and more slender than tea pots. Chocolate pots tend to be on the small side, perhaps because it used to be such a luxury item.

      I don't know what the dimensions of your beverage serving pot are, but in comparison to the sugar bowl and creamer, it looks a bit small. Then again, why would one need sugar and cream to serve hot chocolate? Hmmm.

      There is a set that's been in my family for three generations, and it was always understood to be a chocolate set. The pot IS small, but there is no hole in the cover, nor is there a moulinet. *shrug*
    8. OLECODY OLECODY, 2 years ago
      Great info Keramikos and like you said why would you need a creamer and sugar bowl for chocolate, mine is 9 inches tall Again thank you for all your time in investigating this
    9. apostata apostata, 11 months ago
      you forgot to differenciate fof value versus the late victorian version

      do i got a total black out this is a coffee pot art nouveau . and the chocolats pot are more jugendstil
    10. keramikos, 11 months ago
      apostata, I myself leave valuation to those who have both the expertise and the courage. Valuation is generally a mine field that I avoid. };-)

      So this is a art nouveau coffee pot?
    11. apostata apostata, 11 months ago
      tgere is something strange going with the mods(model), the curling -curling -double inside curling is qualified as end of , IMO you date it right of course because you are meticolous

      you did very well, but the earlier the 1896 mod went into history als late victorian, but the 1896 is much sturdier and the later mods are qualified as early art nouveau, actually this mod is better , but of very little importantance , IMO i, might assess lets say a very skinny 3 figures, no sweat

      but what happens if the stakes are much higher


      addendum i got no courage , i even got agorafobia, i just push buttons, even my fomer cat could push buttons

      greetings waki ( IMO coffee pot)
    12. apostata apostata, 11 months ago
      nobody wat happens if the if we search connextion with the lowell see left inside curling and the conical >> hills on the ribben mark


      Reduced *** An antique sterling silver and Lenox bone china 6 piece coffee set in the original case. Birmingham 1922 - Mappin & Webb, you could probably narrow down the spread, you are extrapolating the spread the spread this way
    13. keramikos, 11 months ago
      apostata, Me, meticulous? I wish. :-(

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