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    Posted 7 years ago

    Agram.m
    (715 items)

    For me it is still difficult to see the difference in materials as Jet, Vulcanite and the material these chains are made of. This are both Victorian mourning necklaces. They don't feel cold, so my view, no glass, the beads of both chains are not deep enough to be black glass.
    When I scratch necklace no. 1 over pottery there is nothing when scratches the second necklaceover pottery there rest black stripes.
    But still it's not clear to me whatmaterialit is?
    I spent the last two photos of beads "inside" of both necklaces. I feel that the beads of necklace picture number 3 could be of Vulcanate, but the other one still is a mystery?
    Therefore, I call again your knowledge and skills ??

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    1. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      nldionne thanks for your looking at these necklaces and loving
    2. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      Antiquarius123 thanks for your interest and loving
    3. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      Moonstonelovere21 thanks for your interest and loving
    4. Stillwater Stillwater, 7 years ago
      Do I see moulding stress marks on the beads? To be honest it reminds me very much of Czech moulded glass necklaces from the 1920's and 30's, especially the one with the fishhook closure. Looks very Art Deco. I think I see mould-lines at the equator in photo 3. Are they heavy??

      http://czechglassjewelry.com/art-deco-czech-coral-red-amp-black-glass-beaded-necklace

      http://www.rubylane.com/item/407160-2328/Vintage-1930s-Art-Deco-Czech
    5. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      Stillwater,
      I had to laugh to myself tonight because my fanatic use my Ipad. Because of the toilet at night I always look at my laptop and I saw your message on CW. For you in the U.S. it is likely in the evening (time varies naturally from the place where you live) but here it is often quite late at night. It depends on my sleepiness wondering if I response at that time or not. This time I immediately went back to bed and here is my answer to your extensive email, which I thank you for:

      The two necklaces both feel not cold to the touch. The holes in the beads leave no white powder which usually indicates glass. But there is a difference in weight.
      The necklace with round beads is 46 cm (18.1 ") long and weight 36 grams.This leaves no mark on pottery.
      The necklace with carved beads is much longer and also has much smaller beads is 60 cm (23.6 ") long, weighs 29 grams. Leaves a black line on pottery.
      Although the examples you gave in the above links I still don't believe they are czechglassjewelry, but the form of one necklace (nr. 1) resemble indeed a lot of the rubylane example.
      It's still not clear to me what they are made of. So please could you advise me further investigation?
    6. Stillwater Stillwater, 7 years ago
      Honestly, Czech glass from the 20's-30's' is the only thing they remind me of. The reason it isn't scratching white may be because its so dark black, you know?
    7. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      Freitheit, mustangtony thanks for your interest and lovings
    8. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      vetrai050 and valentino97 thanks you both for loving
    9. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      bratjdd, inky and Newtimes, thanks for all your interest and lovings
    10. AmberRose AmberRose, 7 years ago
      Very interesting mystery. Unfortunately I don't have any useful suggestions. I have a number of necklaces that I think are jet but have no clue...
    11. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      AmberRose thanks for your useful comment, help and loving. If I know for sure what material I let you know, have a happy weekend
    12. Agram.m Agram.m, 7 years ago
      miKKo thanks for loving
    13. Hoipolloi Hoipolloi, 4 years ago
      Picture 3 looks like Jet as sometimes the growth rings are visible or a slight grain of the trees they used to be. Irish big oak is a lot like Jet but has a brown tinge to it. It can be waxed and polished up to imitate Jet but is never as black. They're beautiful. Pressed horn was often used as an imitation Jet and was often used as part of a Jet necklace so you may have a mixture. Horn is naturally shinier than Jet but both polished up together they're often hard to tell apart. Great pieces. Xx
    14. Agram.m Agram.m, 4 years ago
      Hoipolloi thank you very much for your love, compliment and extensive helpful comments. This in turn helps me and other collectors to see better again what materials are used for some jewelry.

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