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    Posted 7 years ago

    Mac63
    (87 items)

    I thought I was over my green glass phase but I was attracted to this piece because of the “Christopher Dresser” like top. That said, I am not 100% sure this is a Dresser design and that is why I am looking for input from you guys. As for who might have produced the piece - Loetz Crete Glatt or Thomas Webb are my guesses.

    I would appreciate any thoughts you may have.

    The piece stands 5” tall.

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    Comments

    1. cogito cogito, 7 years ago
      The non-uniformity of the color and bottom pontil/color makes me think something other than Loetz. If not Loetz, then I think it adds weight to your Dresser design hypothesis. Very nice piece!
    2. Mac63 Mac63, 7 years ago
      My gut as well says not Loetz. I don't know enough about Webb to make a glass call but I had to guess that is where I would land. Thanks for looking in.
    3. SEAN68 SEAN68, 7 years ago
      wow Mac!!! very very beautiful!!
    4. Rick55 Rick55, 7 years ago
      Whatever it is I love the shape!
    5. inky inky, 7 years ago
      Lovely Mac63....I love green too!.....:-)
    6. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 7 years ago
      Since being on here, glass works all have a new meaning to me! But let me ask you, is that the norm on the bottom? Is there a name for that and is it something desired? I think if I would have seen this on a piece for sale I might have skipped it mainly because I haven't seen this till now. Thanks for showing this and love, love the greens...your ID vase is fabulous too!
    7. Mac63 Mac63, 7 years ago
      Hi share - I don't know how much you know about the processes involved in making a piece of glass, so I fear insulting you with an elementary answer. That said, I have cut and pasted from an article on-line about pontil scars and the link from where I found it.

      Pontil Mark - Normally located on the seat of the blown glass form. A pontil mark is the spot where the glassmaker separates the rod from the finished form. There are six (6) distinct styles of pontil marks:
      1. Ground Pontil - The rod mark is polished out by hand or machine. A ground pontil is usually roundish and a bit concave. The smoothed surface will have a polished effect.
      2. Soft Pontil - The rod and glass are separated while still hot. The small amount of leftover glass is left on the finished form and allowed to cool. The cooled "dollop" of glass is small, usually has a swirl, and is soft to the touch.
      3. Hard or Rough Pontil - The rod and glass are separated after cooling. The separation point resembles broken glass. Can be sharp and rough to touch.
      4. Stamped Pontil - Rod and glass are separated while still hot. Glassmaker uses a stamp to impress the "dollop" with a design or pattern. Often the glassmaker leaves a mark that can be recognized as the maker's mark.
      5. Cut and Polished - Many art glass forms will have no pontil mark or mold lines. Some glass forms are sheared off at the top or bottom and then polished. The pontil mark is removed when sheared. A highly polished rim on a vase or ring on the seat is an indication of cutting and polishing.
      6. Pontil mark on base with mold lines on body – Blown from mold. Glassmaker uses a rod to hold hot glass taken from a mold and then blows it out to desired shape. Sometimes the mold lines are polished out, but often traces of the mold lines can be seen. Traces of a pontil mark on the seat can also be present on mold blown glass.
      http://www.retroartglass.com/page/14wn1/Glass_info/Glass_Definitions.html

      I hope you find this helpful and that it has answered your question.


    8. wksgibson wksgibson, 7 years ago
      Good info mac63, going to save for my reference!
    9. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 7 years ago
      Hi there Mac. You are very kind and thoughtful with your response, I appreciate that! Of course, you are right on the money and I'm realizing that not many posts I've seen have actually shown the bottom of their pieces.

      Another CW friend has sent me a link also, but being so amazed at how each piece is created, I must have overlooked this important result.

      Never-the-less, I find your info/input valuable and want to thank you. I will save this and your link for further reference and study :)

      Thanks again Mac,
      Sincerely, Sue
    10. Mac63 Mac63, 7 years ago
      Sue you are most welcome.
    11. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 7 years ago
      I don't think its' non uniform in color. I think the lighting is non uniform.

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