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Posted 2 years ago

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Lisa-light…
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I recently acquired this iridescent enamelled shade. It has a standard 2 & 1/4 inch fitter, is lined in gold iridescent. The white enamel reminds me of tube lining. I am not at all sure that is an appropriate description in regard to glass. Does this work look familiar to anyone? A friend of mine is sure it is Bohemian but couldn't remember the maker.
Thank you again for looking at this post. I appreciate your time and expertise.
Sincerely,
Lisa

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  1. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 2 years ago
    Thank you Dave and Vetraio50.
  2. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
    I wonder if this is Harrach?
    https://sites.google.com/site/loetzandglass/harrach--a-glass-mystery-solved
  3. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 2 years ago
    Dear Vetraio 50,
    Thank you so much. How exciting. The way the colours are described here is so well done. My shade is indeed lined with a bright orange/yellow iridescent glass, not gold as I stated. The surface is also a very very pale lavender. The enamel on my shade is white, orange, and the pattern is mauve and purple which is outlined in white enamel and there are green bands too. I wonder if that is enough to consider the shade made by Harrach. Are there enough similarities or are there too many differences? What do you think? Is that scale pattern one that can be attributed to a certain age?
    I look forward to hearing what you think. Thank you so much for having taken the time to help. I really do appreciate it. Wouldn't it be exciting to be able to push the Solved button and know that I have added a little more knowledge to my noggin.
    Sincerely,
    Lisa
  4. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
    Hi Lisa! I've just tossed it in as an idea and hope to stimulate some discussion.
    The palmette/anthemian decorative pattern is distinctive of Greco-Roman revival.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmette

    There are those more experienced than I who should be able to help with this shade.
  5. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 2 years ago
    Dear Vetraio,
    You have certainly stimulated my little grey cells.
    Thank you so much!!! I have already learned more than I had hoped. You are so kind, to share. The information on Palmette patterning is fabulous. I would have never found that on my own now knowing what the pattern was called or even that it was the part to focus on. I was looking at the 'scales' for lack of a better term. I looked at the foliate detail, now Palmette, and knew it wasn't a Fleur de lis and moved on. Thanks to you that won't be the case in the future. :O) It is so exciting to learn new things. I love it. I really appreciate the way in which you expanded my horizons today. It is wonderful to know exactly who made a shade however that isn't where the excitement ends for me. I am so pleased to now know what that particular motif is called and then to find the connection to the style and from there a period of time. It all adds to my enjoyment of my collection and my life too.
    Sincerely,
    Lisa
  6. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
    Hi again Lisa. I think the scales are a way of imitating an overlay panel cutting technique that you see on Bohemian glass. The painting is meant to give a three dimensional look.
  7. vetraio50 vetraio50, 2 years ago
    Check out "flash cut glass".
    It was more labor intensive.
    The painted technique was cheaper to do.
    One firm that used this painted technique a lot was Julius Muhlhaus - but with black lines and gold. google his name in Images and you'll see what I mean. Julius Mühlhaus with umlaut too!
  8. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 2 years ago
    Oh, yes, I can see that now that you have pointed it out to me. It does do that. The little dark flag in the middle of the ''scale'' and the ''tube lining'' does in fact make it three dimensional. I am not sure that this isn't too basic to be of use to you but I am really pleased so I had to share it with you. When reading th elink you sent to me I followed another link and arrived here. http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/galleries/712-historic-styles-of-ornament (She beamed broadly.) Who has more fun that us? ;o)
  9. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 2 years ago
    With all respect to Al here, the vases that he is showing with warrior figures is nothing like his vase. the one illustrated is a milk glass with enameled figures and probably 30 to 50 years earlier than his. If Deborah Truitt didn't know what to make of it.. it's probably not Harrach. She and Brian have spent a lot of time in the Harrach archives photographing all of their records.

    in Bohemian glass I have a tendency to "never say never" as it were. So maybe there is chance this is Harrach but you couldn't say so based on the fact that Harrach did in fact use greek warriors on some of their pieces. Using greek warriors as decoration wasn't something any one company held copyright on and it was quite popular as a motif thru the second half of the 19th century. Greek Revival.
    The technique *is* similar to some other works I've seen from Harrach.

    Lisa, as far as the three dimensional effect I don't think yours has the same 3d effect his has. it looks like the warrior decoration isn't painted on his example It's INSIDE the glass and the very outside has the outline drawn on.

    they look very similar but I do not think they are the same..

    Harrach.. maybe.. but maybe means maybe not... If I owned either piece I'd have it in my head as maybe this maybe that, file away until further information surfaces.

    They are fantastic. I love both this and Al's vase.

    YMMV :)
  10. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 2 years ago
    Wow! Julius Mühlhaus is amazing. Even the ''Mary Gregory'' stuff attributed to him knocks your socks off. The detail is so fine. Loved this one.
    http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=120982372812&t=0&tid=10&category=989&seller=estateroadshow&excSoj=1&rptdesc=1&excTrk=1&tto=3500&lsite=0#ul_image6
    The face, hands, hair and fabric rival anything I have ever seen. Thank you again.
    another tidbit to salt away.
  11. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 2 years ago
    this is not flashed cut glass.
  12. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 2 years ago
    on that auction link with the mary gregory.. you have to be very careful with unmarked pieces. "mary gregory" glass was done by countless firms.

    Muhlhaus used Harrach glass blanks. (just as a general information tidbit)
  13. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 2 years ago
    Great snowy Owl,
    Thank you for your comments. The ''mary Gregory'' was me wandering off topic, sorry. I do know the flashed cut glass to which, Vetraio was referring. I was caught by the quality of the ovid vase, or rather the enamel work on the vase. I have a hanging lamp that is enamelled and while I was looking at the images I saw the piece by Muhlhaus. The quality is so much better than anything I have seen here. I do know that Mary didn't do the work she is purported to have done. And that it is a style, if you will, that many companies adopted and churned out.
    When I was talking about the 3D effect I was meaning the painterly way the person who did the little panels on my shades tried to imitate the 'windows' or panels that are shown on cased or flashed cut back pieces. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.
    As Vetraio said, he just tossed it in to see if it would stimulate some discussion and it has, thanks to you. I am so pleased to have found this group. The wealth of knowledge here and the willingness of those people with it to take the time to share is very impressive and most appreciated. I look forward to hearing other thoughts as they occur.
    Sincerely,
    Lisa
  14. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 2 years ago
    If you look at al's vase you can see reflection on an inner layer of the decoration. Actually, I am not sure if his is an outside enamel that is reflecting light on the inner layers or if it's a fused/graal type thing.
  15. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 2 years ago
    Thank you so much, Mustang Tony, ky, Leah, manddmoir, Amber Rose,Hornet,
    ozmarty, toolate2, justanovice and inky. If any of you have any more information or ideas about this shade I would be very pleased to hear from you. Also if anyone has any ideas about the other shades anything would be most welcome. I would love to hear what you know it isn't too and why. Your opinions are most welcome.
    Sincerely,
    Lisa
  16. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 months ago
    *°·`*~~ SEASON'S GREETINGS - LISA!~~*`.°*
  17. Aimathena, 4 months ago
    Such a beautiful shade
  18. Lisa-lighting Lisa-lighting, 4 months ago
    Thank you Aimathena. I am glad you enjoy it too.

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