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    Posted 6 years ago

    IanBrighton
    (573 items)

    I posted a pair of candlesticks in exactly this décor a little while ago and have now found their trophy counterpart.
    All are in pink-lined cased glass.
    The pointers for both are to Welz. It is 18cm tall.

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    Comments

    1. scottvez scottvez, 6 years ago
      Love it-- great shape and decor!

      scott
    2. welzebub, 6 years ago
      It is pretty amazing that even though the "pieces" of color are quite smaller than most decoupage spatters by Welz, this one still exhibits the same "torn or cut" look to color fragments in the décor.

      Great find, and a great match to the candlestick forms as far as décor goes.

      Great Stuff!!
    3. IanBrighton IanBrighton, 6 years ago
      Yes, the bits of spatter, whether flakes or whatever, have, in part, especially at the base, a sort of cut-out appearance.
      I don't know whether there could be a stage between a powder and spatter décor to achieve this? It strikes me the Czech for spatter is brokované, which my non-glass Czech friends can't translate. Is this a reference to the type of glass (shot sized) used? Then there are powder décors like honeycomb and snowflake, what about something inbetween, like cracked pepper? Not quite shot, but not quite powder?
    4. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 6 years ago
      The pink casing on this vase is great - somehow it helps to set off the colors better than a white...very nice.
    5. sklo42 sklo42, 6 years ago
      I too love the glimpse of pink, Ian.
    6. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 6 years ago
      Very nice Ian. I didn't see the candlesticks. I love its little pieces of colour & the pink lining is lovely, I've not seen that before.
    7. charcoal charcoal, 6 years ago
      This shape is found in a red lined oxblood and white spatter decor identified as Antonin Ruckl & Sons, Vcelnicka

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/22/1a/1e/221a1e881fe80ff3be9080979bbf7b8c.jpg

      http://www.burchardgalleries.com/auctions/2012/feb1912/01images/l506.htm
    8. welzebub, 6 years ago
      There it is... almost without exception.... that completely dead horse being repeatedly kicked again... :-)

      Like I said before..... Great Welz shape and décor... and most definitely not an example of Rückl production.
    9. scottvez scottvez, 6 years ago
      Great Welz!

      scott
    10. welzebub, 6 years ago
      IMHO, If one sticks entirely to glass terms to name unknown décors, then we would have very few names for décors. In light of the fact that manufacturers originally did not really stick to glass terms, using such names as Pepita, Grenada, Persica, Texas, Rusticana, Mimosa, Alpenrot, Cephalonia, Vulcan.... and on and on and on.... I think that using terms which describe the appearance are one of several appropriate ways to describe décors we are attempting to rename.
    11. scottvez scottvez, 6 years ago
      Naming is never perfect.

      While pointillism is not a spatter, neither is decoupage.

      The pointillism term for this particular decor does capture the distinction of smaller than usual pieces in this decor.

      Maybe there is a better term out there??

      sscott
    12. IanBrighton IanBrighton, 6 years ago
      I like all those suggestions, and your point is well made. I don't have so much of a problem "bending" terms like pointillist if that conveys my feeling about a decor but that's just personal. I still like it.
    13. IanBrighton IanBrighton, 6 years ago
      If we were being purist we would call all these decors brokované, but we don't as that doesn't quite make it in our language so we call them spatters.
    14. IanBrighton IanBrighton, 6 years ago
      Good points. I agree.
    15. welzebub, 6 years ago
      Ian and I discussed this name. I felt that his term of pointillist was appropriate as opposed to the other style of spatter by Welz which is decoupage spatter and much larger "pieces" of color. It is also a reasonably unique style of spatter overall, whether it be Welz or not.

      The issue with developing names is that, at least for me, the words need to be reasonably distinctive, and also describe what we are seeing. They do not need to be technically perfect..... at least for me.

      This style of spatter by Welz is far less common, and I felt was deserving of a distinctive name for it's distinctive characteristics. Some of the words you suggested would be good also. When developing names to call décors I have also tried to come up with names which are also unlikely to be used in another line of glass to describe a décor. I have used the same philosophy with some deco era Kralik décors I have had to name.

      I also agree with Scott... Naming is never perfect. I do have to admit that I like this name for this decor though. I have no issues at all with using names from other areas of art if they reasonably describe what we see, and I am not of the belief that they have to be 100% technically correct. I also have no issue using terms which are unrelated to glass completely. Honeycomb Panel in Kralik would be a good example of that.

      If nothing else, anyone that reads this conversation will remember the décor and name and connect it with Welz, and that is really my only desire. :-)
    16. welzebub, 6 years ago
      See how that works.... LOL

      I do appreciate discussing things with you.... You have a refreshing take on things. :-)

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