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    Posted 4 years ago

    Deano
    (259 items)

    Part of my auction booty. Haven't been able to find out anything about it. Wouldn't mind finding out a little bit, like maker and date. I know, that's not much to ask. lol.
    Due to presence of Pontil, this piece is not Fenton.
    5" across, 2 1/2" tall, 2 1/8" base.

    Thanks.

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    1. inky inky, 4 years ago
      Sorry can't help...but lovely vase, delicious colour...:-)
    2. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      Thanks to Weizebub, Aghcollect, Vetraio50 and Inky for the "Love it" click.
    3. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      Thanks to Inky for the "delicious" comment. Appreciate it.
    4. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      Thanks to Rick55, MoonstoneLover21 and Efesgirl for the "Love it" click.
    5. robin56 robin56, 4 years ago
      Have you tried Fenton or Vicyorian ers overlay/cased glass?
    6. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      No, I haven't tried Fenton, I was doubtful that it would be Fenton, I'll give it a try though. I am not familiar with Vicyorian at all, wouldn't know where to start. I'll look into Fenton next.... Thank you Robin, I appreciate it.
    7. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      I had this problem the last time I tried Fenton Fanatic site, namely, I got nowhere. I did make use of the Signatures section, but as far as actually finding something I own, not at chance. I could use some pointers for their site. Anyone?
    8. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      Thanks to Trey for the "Love it" click.
    9. live.eclectically live.eclectically, 4 years ago
      I'm pretty sure it's Fenton and the color is Peach Blow, which was used in 1939 only. They did use it again in the early 50s but only on hobnail. My guess as to why is I think it's the same color used for Peach Crest that started in 1940 where they added the crystal fluting.

      Is the 5" across from end to end or just the inside portion?

      If I had to give an educated guess, I'd say it's their triangle shape bowl, but the smallest one I have a reference for is 9-1/2" across. It's listed as "1522-B" in a Fenton 1939 brochure.
    10. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      That's great. I can't thank you enough for the valuable information. Your question about the measurement, yes, it measures 5 across, outside to outside. Interesting that it isn't covered in the brochure. I hope that is just a production issue, maybe they made them after the brochure was printed, or they just omitted it. Don't know how good Fenton was back then, with keeping track of their own production. Thanks for your help. Dean.
    11. live.eclectically live.eclectically, 4 years ago
      You're welcome. If you come across a lot of Fenton, I highly recommend the Fenton Glass series of books:

      Fenton Glass: The First Twenty-five Years
      Fenton Glass the Second 25 Years
      Fenton Glass: The Third 25 Years

      There are 3 others in the series I have, but only useful if you collect newer Fenton from the 80s or later.
    12. TallCakes TallCakes, 4 years ago
      the presence of a pontil mark/scar points from Fenton:
      "Pontil Marks: 99.99% of the time, Fenton will not have a pontil mark on the bottom. A pontil mark is a mark on the bottom of an item where the punty rod was attached during the glass making process. Pontil marks can look like a rough broken chipped mark, a bumpy lump, or a polished concave dimple. Fenton uses snap rings to hold their bases while working with glass rather than punty rods. Exceptions to this rule are some Off Hand Glass made in the 1920’s, which is very rare; and Off Hand Glass made more recently by Master Craftsmen like Robert Barber, Dave Fetty and Frank Workman, which will be signed."
    13. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      Man am I confused. That's ok. I looked at the base shot, a little surprised that that little mark would be considered a pontil. At the same time, it makes sense. If not Fenton 1939, then what. Is it a Fenton copy? Is this piece a pariah? I haven't seen any other photos like it. Any guesses as to how old it is? Thanks to Live.Eclectically and TallCakes for offering up the opinions, I really appreciate it.
    14. TallCakes TallCakes, 4 years ago
      I may be misreading the last photo that looks like a pontil mark to me; if it is rough with sharpness it is likely a pontil scar. Most Fenton that I'm familiar with doesn't have that type of foot.
    15. live.eclectically live.eclectically, 4 years ago
      Some good points made, especially if that is a pontil mark - I can't tell from the photo if it's just something stuck to the bottom or part of the piece.

      The piece is a conundrum. I have a Fenton Silver Crest bonbon of similar size made in the 70s, but as TallCakes pointed out, the foot part is weird. Like it has the foot of a vase. Almost like someone was making a crimped vase and decided to smoosh it.
    16. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      No No Mr Bill, please don't smoosh the bowl. LOL. I am thankful for both your input. I'm going to inspect the base, if I can get a better photo taken, then maybe that will help. I have another camera with a BIG lens. we'll see. Thanks again. D.
    17. Deano Deano, 4 years ago
      I did a close inspection and determined that it is indeed a pontil, no photo required. Pontil Positive. Question becomes, who put out a Fenton copy, small bowl with a foot? I guess that question will be answered by more informed minds than mine. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
    18. TallCakes TallCakes, 4 years ago
      I wouldn't call it a Fenton copy, as many glass houses made very similar crimped glass at the same time as Fenton; not really sure who may have been first. In the USA Fenton is certainly known for their crimped glass, which was marketed as 'petticoat glass' for a time. Fenton is probably best known for their 'Silver Crest'.
    19. live.eclectically live.eclectically, 4 years ago
      I tried and failed to locate anyone who might have used that color. The closest I can find is Fenton, but as TallCakes said there were many glass makers and they all copied from each other. Not to mention the actual molds that where transferred around over the decades.
    20. robin56 robin56, 4 years ago
      Victorian or bohemian art glass. They done done of this style.

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