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    Posted 5 years ago

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    Alan2310 recently posted a Loetz Vase in similar shape, so I thought I would post mine as a follow-up story of a related vase in a different style of décor. This vase is approximately 10" tall and 3" square at the base. The glass has a light olive green coloration with a metallic oxide iridescence on the surface. In addition, it has a thumb print optic pattern which really makes the iridescent colors pop. I'm guessing it was made in the 1900-1910 era.

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    1. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      Here's a link to Alan's related vase - Cheers! - Bob
    2. Alan2310 Alan2310, 5 years ago
      Very interesting, I come back to you later( I am at work) on this, the less we can say is I am confused now.

    3. IanBrighton IanBrighton, 5 years ago
      I will leave this to the Loetz experts but must say that Loetz wasn't my first thought. There are lots of experts on here!
    4. philmac51 philmac51, 5 years ago
      Yep.. this is a fairly well known Loetz shape. But this is an unusual decor.
      Have a look at this old post of Alfredo's for more information:
    5. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      Interesting - looks like Alfredo's example in similar color but without the thumbprint optic. Whe I bought it 10+ years ago, it was attributed as Loetz, but maybe not. That wouldn't lower my appreciation of it though.
    6. philmac51 philmac51, 5 years ago
      It's a beautiful instinct would be Loetz.
    7. welzebub, 5 years ago
      Although this is a nice example in a reverse coin dot décor, this form of vase is found in a variety of similar forms, and also in decors which are not associated with Loetz, but other houses. I am of the opinion that this example is most likely by a house other than Loetz.

      I would also note that the shape does not really adhere to the Loetz drawing being shown here. Where the Loetz drawing seems to indicate a twist which causes a top corner edge to rotate 180 degrees by the time it reaches a bottom corner, this piece only attains a 90 degree rotation. Two completely different shapes to me.
    8. welzebub, 5 years ago
      Here is a quite similar form with the same degree of twist but in a decor known to not be by Loetz. To me at least, the shape is not a reliable identifier for attribution.
    9. philmac51 philmac51, 5 years ago
      Haha.. I'll always defer to Craig, he's more knowledgeable than me. I agree by the way that the drawing does not relate in any way to the vase in question.
      I have to say this shape has always intrigued me.
      Here's another link to another piece on Ebay ... long sold so hopefully I'm not infringing any rules here. What do you think Guys?
    10. philmac51 philmac51, 5 years ago
      Craig's right of course, there are most certainly multiple manufacturers of this 'quarter-turn' type of vase. I really do love this simple shape.
    11. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      Perhaps Rindskopf may be the correct attribution... Here is another item in my collection with a similar thumbprint optic pattern and similarly colored base glass...
    12. philmac51 philmac51, 5 years ago
      Looks good to me!
    13. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      Thanks to all for the good commentary. One thing about Bohemian glass is that most of the houses imitated one another to various extents. Perhaps even some of the craftsmen went to work for other houses and brought their techniques with them. Cheers to all!
    14. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 5 years ago
      ..and here is a beauty in the same shape by Fritz Heckert - a good friend pointed this one out to me just yesterday: And to add, personally, I'd not go with Rindskopf here; I have never seen this shape used by them.
    15. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 5 years ago
      Sorry! I forgot to add how beautiful your vase is, beyemvey! I just love it.
    16. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      Neat! Thanks Michelle!!!
    17. philmac51 philmac51, 5 years ago
      The plot thickens....!
    18. welzebub, 5 years ago
      My observations on that piece Phil, would be that the direction of rotation of the design is opposite of these, and the degree of rotation appears more like 45 degrees than 90.

      The reverse coin dot as used by Rindskopf on other pieces, would certainly lead me in that direction as far as a suspected attribution.
    19. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      @ Welzebub... the yellow "spiraloptisch" is similar to this one in my collection which is a cross between imitating Loetz Spiraloptisch and Rindskopf's Pepita...
    20. philmac51 philmac51, 5 years ago
      I bow to your superior observational skills yet again Craig. I'm just treading water in this thread...
    21. welzebub, 5 years ago
      I am of the opinion that the vase you linked is either Kralik or Welz production, and do not lean more strongly one way or the other at this point.

      I am of the firm belief though, that the Cadmium yellow example I linked to is indeed Welz production.
    22. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      Thanks Craig - I picked up some Welz the other day and will post it soon. Cheers - Bob.
    23. welzebub, 5 years ago
      I look forward to seeing it....
    24. Alan2310 Alan2310, 5 years ago
      Other then Warren, no others LOETZ collector has speak up on my post.
      Why ??, Mystery and Bubble gum !!.
      LOETZ or Schliersee, i don't care I just love it.

    25. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 5 years ago
      beyemvey, I want to correct my comment #14 - the vase I linked to ( was attributed to F. Heckert, but it is actually by Glasfabrik Schliersee. :)
    26. beyemvey beyemvey, 5 years ago
      Thanks again Michelle - this was a fun discussion and I learned a lot! - Bob

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