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Posted 10 years ago
stwillia76
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I would love to know anything about these. It seems to be ivory and its about 2" tall. Not sure as to what the 2 holes are for in the back. Is it really a Netsuke? It is signed?
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About netzukes
https://www.isa-appraisers.org/content/documents/n._sandfield_netsuke_handout.pdf
NO! It is a Calligraphy water dropper or SUITEKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1mSWrev8ZA
See demonstration on youtube--The 2 holes identify this.
see on youtube "waterdropper, jumpting frog."
NO! It is a Calligraphy water dropper or SUITEKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1mSWrev8ZA
See demonstration on youtube--The 2 holes identify this.
see on youtube "waterdropper, jumping frog."
Correct above--corrected spelling
SUITEKI---WATER DROPPER--CALLIGRAPHY TOOL
It is a netzuke-- kyra's link will be helpful.
scott
PCC! Not only water droppers have 2 holes....... Nose, hunting gun, and..... More! ;-D
See the link I posted above on youtube--It really is a calligraphy tool called a Suiteki, and there is a demonstration there using a very similar one as shown-- I too, have one, in old metal, and if you check google you'll see same type as this--maybe even the same one under" water dropper Suiteki." Now it is certainly possible the item COULD be used both ways!!
No matter--it is really nice!!!Call it as you perceive it as itpresents to you and your knowledge. I have done the same. We are enjoying ourselves and this is not "deadly" Hee Hee. Thanks for reading this.
... and netsukes!
scott
The most noticeable difference is this netsuke has no reservoir to store water-- original poster can clear up quickly by confirming that there are two connected holes vice any water storage area.
Additionally, I suspect that the slight amount of water that could be put into the holes will not stay as it is laid on the head.
scott
Right! Water droppers are hollow!
He could eyedropper water into holes and see if it is taken in.... VERY GOOD IDEA!!
The demo on youtube is really interesting. I was happy to see it there.
Netsukes are better known. They hung from robes as you know.But did they have a purpose at all? They are highly collected.--not so much the water droppers made for a specific purpose. A good discussion is always so interesting and informative. Hi-5 Scott.
Purpose was to hold pouch or box (Inro) hanging from the belt (Obi) as shown :
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Netsuke-p1030001.jpg/220px-Netsuke-p1030001.jpg
Back at cha!
Hello. I have the piece in hand. I haven't look at the youtube yet. It is not hollow and the holes are connected.
Here's an article we published on this topic a few years back:
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/the-folklore-and-fashion-of-japanese-netsuke-an-interview-with-christine-drosse/
Thanks OAS!
Belltown, many thanks for the link! I missed the article and will keep it in notes :-)
I've looked at the article. Are the holes in the right place? I don't see any circles around the holes. It is signed? I still dont know if it is Japanese or Chinese. I'm more confused now lol.
I have another one of a man carrying a woman on back. Same signatures. I am hoping these are not fake. I believe they are ivory or another kind of bone. You can see the grain. I was also hoping these were old and not repos done in the 70's. How can I really know?
No doubt, it is ivory :-)
You could visit this site and see if there is a forum for identification:
http://www.netsuke.org/
Lit. water-dropper. A small container used to hold the water which is added to the inkstone *suzuri ? during the grinding of the ink stick. Water-droppers may be made of copper, jade and stone, but ceramic are the most popular. Depending on their size and shape, water-droppers may also be termed suichuu ??, suichuujou ??? (also suijou ??), suiu ?? or senjo ??. More specifically, a suiteki has two small holes for water and air and is designed so that only a few drops of water can fall at one time.
Only problem PCC is the spacing of the holes is consistent with a netsuke. It's also ivory, which is consistent with netsukes but not with a Suiteki. There is also the problem Scott drew your attention to, not enough room to hold water to even make it worthwhile to use.
T A
My best advise is to have someone actually examine it that has great knowledge of Oriental collectibles and antiques. Pictures can't compare with having the actual item in hand.There are so many variables to consider. Maybe you might try Googling such as specialist in your area or zip code and take a trip to satisfy yourself. All the best!! And Good Luck!
PCC, I bet a whole week alone with your Indian on my (and Scott's and T.a.'s !) netzuke id ;-)
I bet 10 min (all I need) with Rudolph Valentino. Hee Hee--- Well, we can agree to disagree about what it is. Not really a matter of life or death. We won't be "hanging it" or "sprinkling" it. Right?? HUGS!
*sits on the couch with OAS and a bowl of karma popcorn*
Ugh and hugs PCC :-)
Katherine, LOOOL :-D
WHO ME? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!
I am sooo glad you wrote this.
All my apologies for that, Stwillia, please feel free to delete my digressions from original subject :-/
Nah I'm all for a good time. Thanks a lot for all the info. I still don't know if I have a good investment or not, lol. I'd love to know when it was made.
Happy for your sense of humor Stwillia. I have been in good spirits and not distracted by diversity. CW is a great place and even tho opinions can differ--that is just a part of daily life here, as long as we are cheerful,. If you would like to delete my comments, that is not going to cause me a problem. The piece is beautiful and you can't help but love it. And really, that is the bottom line. I did make a point to say this would be better of to have a personal inspection with a dealer with knowledge as he has it in his vision and his hand. That way--the "real item" will speak to the "real life" beholder. and again "good luck with that"
If you send photos to Sotheby's Auction (fill paperwork out online at their site,) they may take a look --and it is free. They did for an Asian item I had.
i am in the netsuke group , for the simple reasons concerning the himotoshi
i can,t hardly imagine with this himotoshi there could be a good sliding between Sagemono and Ojime and i think himotoshi is off placed
the homotoshi are even sized( it influences the sliding) and got some shattering , it looks drilled
the mark is an add on and not emphasized by means of carving
still cute
IMO i made an tremendous blunder , i am not able to discern the schregers or the marines (very bad eyes_ the ablation of the himotoshi is not caused drilling but by an intensive use from the sliding of the rope
i think this is also an ebisu ( you might think this dude namely me
callsl everybody ebisu ) , but thats this is an ebisu without goatee
so i think it is real and i have talked BS in the former entry, i am sorry