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lzenglish's loves152 of 709From Normandy, France todayCLINT EASTWOOD EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE 1978
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    Posted 2 years ago

    scorpiodel…
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    This is a piece on cloth that was sent to a soldier in New York from Williams International of Japan, Ltd. in Yokohama. I have tried to research the company and come up with no information. I have taken this to antique dealers and "experts" to no avail. Any info would be appreciated.

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    1. PhilDMorris PhilDMorris, 2 years ago
      You could hit the Appraisal link at the top, they may be able to help.
    2. frisco frisco, 2 years ago
      It sure looks WW2 ish to me, but your time frame answer, lies in the stamps, and postmark date, i would think?
    3. JenniferH JenniferH, 2 years ago
      Porno perhaps? Interesting this is your only item..she is clearly not Japanese nor is this an antique. I feel sorry for this woman that you chose this to be the first picture for all to see on CW. I hope her relatives do not recognize her from this photo a complete stranger posted for the world to see. It looks like it was meant for her husband as a private showing as she is wearing a ring..maybe to lift his spirits..but thanks for showing everyone.
    4. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 2 years ago
      BB2 was here
    5. Watchsearcher Watchsearcher, 2 years ago
      Thank you, JenniferH! I totally agree that this is not a very old picture and was probably meant for her husband's eyes only.
    6. keramikos keramikos, 2 years ago
      I hesitate to comment on this post and bring it to the top of the S&T stack, because the subject matter thereof certainly does strike me as p*rnographic, but a couple of points needs clarification.

      scorpiodelirium, The address of Technical Sergeant Herlitz contains "APO" which meant that he was overseas, and his mail was routed to him through New York, NY. No ZIP code was used, so this probably was before 1963 (and the model's hairdo does suggest the 1950s to me).

      frisco is right in that the stamps and postmark would date it more precisely, although the postmark seems almost unreadable.

      Further investigation of the Headquarters Squadron 47th Support Group might yield more information. It may have been part of this:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47th_Flying_Training_Wing

      JenniferH, You have sharp eyes to have detected that ring on the model's hand.

      I don't know the model's back story, but if she had this made to please her husband, then it would seem that the modern foolishness of having nude/semi-nude pictures made of oneself isn't quite as modern as we may think.
    7. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 2 years ago
      Bunch of interesting comments about this being porn. If we cut her arms off so she looks more like Venus de milo I assume the prudes here would be satisfied and in total awe of the wonderful art picture.
    8. keramikos keramikos, 2 years ago
      fhrjr2, Prudes, huh?

      Thank you. I don't think I've ever been called a prude before, although I suspect that guy at the bookstore ACLU event who got huffy when I asked the speaker a question about snuff films was thinking it. };-)

      I'm sure you're familiar with the long-standing controversy about whether there's a difference between art and p*rnography (BTW, I use the asterisk, because it helps prevent robots trawling the Internet from picking up on the term).

      Actually, some historians think that a lot of those ancient Greco-Roman marble statues/busts were originally painted. Modern audiences might perceive them differently if they still were.

      You're free to think this photo transfer on cloth is art if you wish.
    9. bobby725 bobby725, 2 years ago
      I like her...............................................................................................watch. :-)
    10. keramikos keramikos, 2 years ago
      bobby725, Heh!
    11. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 2 years ago
      I certainly will have my own opinion. If it were a male athlete wearing just his speedo nobody would call it porn, nor would they call it art. Myself I would call it a double standard. There is nothing obscene about this post, unless you are one who wears a rain coat when you take a shower.
    12. keramikos keramikos, 2 years ago
      fhrjr2, A male athlete wearing just a pair of Speedo briefs could conceivably walk down the street in most places in the United States. Not so a woman. That's also a double standard, but I digress.

      No, it wouldn't be art. Nor p*rn.

      However, if a male athlete was photographed with his thumb hooked in the Speedo, and appeared ready to taking it off, that would be approaching soft p*rn.

      You seem a bit upset about this, and I begin to wonder if you're like the guy in the bookstore.

      Wearing a rain coat in the shower: now there's an interesting notion.
    13. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 2 years ago
      Not at all like the bookstore guy and this isn't a snuff video. Although we can post holocaust images which is fine and not seen as wrong. I don't agree with posting either but once again, that is one man's opinion. Back to the photo above, I suspect it was sent abroad to be printed because back then it would have been rejected for printing in this country. Like the books that were banned in Boston. Lolita, The mailman rings twice for example.
    14. keramikos keramikos, 2 years ago
      fhrjr2, I suspect you misunderstand about the bookstore guy, but then that would be because I didn't tell you all that much about the incident.

      Actually, I no longer remember my specific question (it was a long time ago), but I think it was more or less a "What's the ACLU's stance on snuff films?" kind of query.

      The response was that, at the time, the ACLU had not yet found a verified example of a snuff film.

      The guy, another member of the audience, said, "Yeah!," and it seemed 'aimed' at me. I got the definite sense that he was thinking, "So shut up already about p*rn!," because he felt his consumption thereof threatened.

      The photo above could have been sent abroad for printing because of stateside restrictions, but I suspect that the buyer was himself abroad (see: the military APO address).

      I myself first read "Lolita" when I was not a whole lot older than the title character. It's true that there's not a single vulgar or obscene word in the whole book.

      However, after also reading the author's "Ada," I did wonder whether Nabokov was a pedophile (or perhaps more accurately, a hebephile).

      I'm going to let this go now, because we're clogging the post. If I have anything else to say on the subject, I'll put it in a post of my own.
    15. fhrjr2 fhrjr2, 2 years ago
      In closing I will wish you well and say I respect your right to your opinion. Have a good evening.
    16. keramikos keramikos, 2 years ago
      fhrjr2, Thank you. My best to you as well. :-)

      I've decided to 'love' this post, not because I literally love the post or the subject matter, but because it seems to be the surest way of tracking something in CW at this time.

      I now return 'control' of this post to the author, scorpiodelirium. };-)
    17. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 2 years ago
      I raise enough controversy without getting involved with this ! LOL !!
    18. Roycroftbooksfromme1 Roycroftbooksfromme1, 2 years ago
      Some GI most likly sold it for beer money after his girlfriend sent him a dear john ..'-)).
    19. lptools, 2 years ago
      Hello, I have read the comments, and in my opinion this was a tastefully done photo by a professional model & photographer. My guess is for a calendar. The model looks very composed & comfortable in the pose. Just my $.02 worth, Lou

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