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    Posted 9 years ago

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    Does a Loetz vase with a Hofstotter Paris decor on a Hofstotter Paris form qualify it as a genuine 1900 Paris exhibition piece? It is 6 inches high. (2008)

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    1. famatta127 famatta127, 9 years ago
      Im thinking form number 356?
      If so then YES!
    2. belleverre belleverre, 9 years ago
      Tony - You'll get no arguement from me. Yes, 356.

      This is the same vase as seen on the "" website under decors index, then under 1900 to 1905, then under Hofstatter. It is listed there as PG 405 which is the same as the form number of the vase on which this decor is first used. This idea is quite common for Loetz, but I believe it was made up in this case.
    3. SEAN68 SEAN68, 9 years ago
    4. famatta127 famatta127, 9 years ago
      Production number 405 isn't even close. I have heard that theory also but I have only seen very rare occasions where its true. Its a magnificant vase and I believe a Paris 1900 production.

    5. SteveS SteveS, 9 years ago
      Hi T&J
      I thought many of the actual Exhibition pieces were individually marked as such ... although this may post date Paris ...
      Lovely piece ... again ... BTW
    6. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 9 years ago
      Do you have Ploil's book showing all of the pieces that were exhibited at the Paris Exposition? In the back section, "Originals not yet found", there is a list of all of the shapes and decors that were shown at the 1900 Paris Expo but have not been located. PN 356 is included in this list on pg 98. Ploil also indicates that the decor produced for the Paris Expo in this shape was PG 356. If Ploil's information is accurate I would conclude that the example that you show is Paris Expo shape 356 produced in a variant of the PG 2/450. Since PG 2/450 was first introduced in 1902 and most of these shapes are missing, we may never find out what the actual name of this decor is but it is a lovely piece.
    7. belleverre belleverre, 9 years ago
      I did not put any additional information in the description above as I didn't want to influence any other opinions. I acquired it believing it to be a Paris piece.
      I do have Ploil's book but there is additional information in the Hatje Cantz book showing that PN 356 has since been found: On page 88 are pictures of two PN 356 vases, one of which is also PG 356. On page 100 is pictured the PN 405 vase having the same decor as the one pictured above. In that description they say, "Most likely a unique piece from the collection for the Paris Exposition Universelle in 1900. The decoration suggests a further development of Phenomen glass. Threads separated in a ribbed mold and combed into fan shapes signalize new possibilities that unfolded in several variations somewhat later, in 1901 and 1902." indicating that this decor preceeded PG 2/450.
      Also, the color of the glass making up the fans in the above piece is different (green) from the rest of the decor although the iridescence masks it.
    8. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 9 years ago
      Yes, good eye. Cantz does show both the Paris Expo PN 356 in PG 356 and the newer production of this shape, PN 7925. I would also agree that the decor shown on pg 100 is the same decor on your vase. The text in Cantz indicating that the vase shown on pg 100 was most likely a unique piece from the Paris Expo seems to be saying that this particular piece is a "one-of" that was intended to be shown at the Expo. We have a Paris Expo decor and shape (PG 356 in PN 357) in our collection. We have always thought that our piece represented an order that was placed based on the collection shown at the Paris Exposition. We have another piece that is also a Paris Expo shape with a decor that is actually shown on the paper pattern but there is no mention of the decor for our vase in the Production records. It does make you wonder if our piece and your piece were made for consideration and inclusion in the Paris Expo but somehow not selected, exhibited or further produced. I did recently find another example of a vase in the same decor as yours. Email me and I will send you a photo of it!

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