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    Posted 10 years ago

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    Something pretty for Xmas .... again .... Seasons greetings to all

    Demonstrating the evolution of peachblow glass in the hands of the Artisans at Loetz in the late 1800's ..
    .. along with a few embellishments ? from the Retailers of Paris ...

    For the underlying glass style and colouring I favour Pavonia ... although the present consensus would appear to be Persica

    Identification on the base in gold ink ... 159 ... T&M ... IV/202 ...
    I interpret this as: Shape/Distributor: 159 ... Turbot & Mayer ... 1884/94 ... Victorian Dekor: 2o2

    Height is approximately 16 inches with the mount .... diameter approximately 10 inches ...

    Majestic seemed appropriate .... the perfect thing to bring home from a (Xmas) shopping trip to Paris a hundred and twenty years ago .....

    (- will try to update the photos when I have a moment)
    Merry Xmas everyone
    Update: Added picture with the ? Persica x2

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    1. LoetzBuddies LoetzBuddies, 10 years ago
    2. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      Loetz definitely did victorian glass. It's just not what most people look for. Gorgeous Example Steve. I was watching this one.
    3. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      Thanks GSO ... And many thanks for just watching .... had some very real (or imaginary) concerns about where this could have gone to ....
    4. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 10 years ago
      Beautiful! I marvel at the way Loetz was able to create this wonderful contrast between the colors of purple & peach. Nice size oo. Merry Christmas!
    5. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      lol Steve, this was way out of my current price range the entire auction. I am not a player when it gets to those prices these days. :) If I get a job soon though it's another story ;)

      Enjoy it and Merry Christmas!
    6. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      Thanks Deb & Alisa
      Frank ... as a reference point for Victorian consider the commission Loetz received for the 40th anniversary of Emperor Franz-Joseph's reign in 1888!
      ... Loetz had to be at the cutting edge and at the pinnacle of it's field at that time .... Yet we have very little to show for it ...

      From what I understand public knowledge of Loetz had almost been totally lost prior to Mrs Waltraud Neuwirth's books in the 1980's ...

      Yet here the pieces themselves are showing up in Auctions, on eBay and on CW every week ... It is just astounding really that you can find these beauties at all !!!!
    7. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      Hi Kyle ... Thanks ... I am smiling still ...

      "I could tell you, but then ..... "

      In very general terms, prior to the Phenomenon Genre, Loetz used to name rather number the styles (decors) they produced ... and Persica / Pavonia /Columbia / Carneol / Chameleon, etc are among the multiple names we have reference to from contemporary reports / the factory archives ...

      I have not come across any documentation of how these names were derived ... and so whether it was part of the design process or the marketing is uncertain ... although many decors - such as Ophir (the site of King Solomon's mines) - suggest that there was design intent involved ....

      In addition to the underlying design realised in the glass blowing and rendering process (applied Hot in the furnace) many early pieces were also further decorated with designs from a design book specifically developed by the Glasshutt. These were "applied cold" by the factory's artists / painters. The 202 is a specific reference to the gold design / pattern applied to the surface of this piece - and probably bears no reference to the mount.

      Again there is little in the way of reference available to these design / pattern books and to information on the frequency with which they were updated - if in fact they were ever updated ... Certainly it would appear that the numbering system combinations were reset on a number of of occasions over the life of the company ...

      The 159 is likely to reference either the shape or more likely the distributor / agent ... Turbot and Mayer in Paris is referenced in Ricke2 as being the destination for Com. 2272 ... There is no reference listed for Com. 159 - or for Shape / Form 159.

      As I said initially ... my interpretation ... Hope it has helped clarify things ... at least a little ... any improvements / corrections welcome ....
    8. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      hi Kyle, pretty sure what you linked to is not columbia. I've seen columbia on persica base and Steve has one on a iridescent base. it's a decor with the bust of columbus.

      I think the 202 is really interesting on this piece though. all of the sunset pieces have the 202 too. I thought it was the decor number. sunset is not a proper loetz designation either. it's just what some of us call it without knowing the proper decor name.

      I don't have the glassmarken lexicon. I wonder where they got their information on loetz decors? I think this is called persica because it matches what is in the Hatje cantz book on loetz.

    9. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      oh you lucky dawg! you have an octopus! I didn't notice that until now.
    10. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      GSO ... Will take that as a positive comment ... :-)

      Just to complete a circle here is another "peachblow variant" that Leah sold a while back referencing your piece ....

      Das Bohimische Glas ... Band 3 p118 ... actually references Persica as Rot and Pavonia as Heliotrope ... which is a part of my conclusion above .... I am only prepared to give Deb 1 point back for (Ricke + Cantz) ... The glass marks lexicon goes with Das Bohimische Glas ...

      DBG references Vogel 1989 ?
    11. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      As a reference to Columbia you could try:

      you could look at the middle picture above ... :-)
      The piece to the left is the only Columbia that has come to light (to date) ... The bronze irridescence is part of decor 210 - so I think GSO is referencing another decor variant on Persica / Pavonia ... If not would love to see it ....
    12. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      hmm, I was thinking of this but it's zeus I think

      but I'd have SWORN i'd seen this before with persica in the distant past. I have definitely seen a columbus before I ever saw yours and I would have sworn persica... eyes open going forward :)
    13. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      I only noticed recently that the background within the cameo is very similar to the bronze iridescent surface on the Columbia ...

      ... Cameo should be a Persian / Pavonian King ... although my searches for the source of the Pavonia reference have been unsuccessful ? Latin / other derivation
    14. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      To me it looks more like a flat enamel of some sort. we could try adn get Deb's attention and see what she thinks it looks like up close :)

      I think it's likely that columbus is an enameled decor that could have been put on a number of different bases. Same with Cameo.
    15. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      and BTW the octopus comment was a total positive thing. I love octopus. Can't find one in a range I can afford. some day. :) got my sights on a real live job maybe right around the corner.. then I can start reinvesting my sales on good investment quality stuff. Titania and octopus are two of my top targets.
    16. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      Pavonia= Land of the Peacocks ...
      Have been looking for a reference beyond Persia for this ...
    17. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago,_New_Netherland

      there were the peach tree wars. If it didn't say purple I'd be inclined to think maybe that had something to do with the peach colored glass.
    18. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      Thought you were a Cat person .... :-)

      Lessons in the settlement of the Americas as well ... and certainly interesting
      As I understand it Peacocks are native to India or thereabouts ... So was looking to an ancient reference along these lines ... But the word itself is Latin ....
    19. LoetzDance LoetzDance, 10 years ago
      Yes, the brown background in the Zeus medallion on my Persica vase is a flat enamel of some sort whereas I think Steve's Columbia vase is a bronze colored glass with a bronze glatt finish.
    20. Greatsnowyowl Greatsnowyowl, 10 years ago
      If there was one thing I learned in the czech republic... Czechs are HUGE on military history. On the bus our guide kept going on and on and on about wars fought in the czech republic. (it was really irritating because I think we all wanted to be talking about what we'd seen for the day and glass and she was not understandable and very very loud) Romanticism<Militarism.. So... Not sure what that particular period in history was like there.. but, it wouldn't shock me to find a military based explanation for things.
    21. SteveS SteveS, 10 years ago
      Hi Kyle
      I tend to think not ... Would expect to see this same color combination as well ... That is the Bronze iridescence over Orange Glass ... but on different shapes .... Although if one turned up in blue or green with the same enamelling, with or without iridesence (although preferably with) you would call both pieces color variations ....

      That said I think that (via Brian's site at The Harrach Project) lists Columbia as having Bronze Iridesence ....

      Also should remember that Columbia is a little different from standard Loetz decors as it was produced as a one off run for a specific event ...
    22. SteveS SteveS, 9 years ago
      Thanks Phil
      ... on reflection I am tending to think the colour of the Pavonia represents the "purple haze" depicted in pictures of the distant Himalayas ... with Persica and red reflecting more the Sun setting / rising over the Desert ...
      ... although maybe I have just been listening to too much Jimi Hendrix !
    23. smiata smiata, 9 years ago
      Yowza...unbelievably beautiful. The color and embellishments are the bomb. ( I'm sure no one says that anymore, lol) But its fitting for this piece. Thanks for letting me drool over it.
    24. scottvez scottvez, 9 years ago
      Beautiful glass!


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