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    Posted 8 years ago

    vetraio50
    (726 items)

    It was a normal Wednesday morning in Vinnies last week: a routine visit with not so great expectations on the way to see Dad. I’m used to seeing the same rubbish that clogs up the shelf space on display behind the counter where the two volunteers are chatting between clothing purchases. I drifted around the back section and was retracing my steps about to exit the shop when I saw this on a trunk with another piece of silver plate. So this is what I had come to find?

    I interrupted the conversation at the desk: “It’s not one of those antique ones!”, the two of them looked scathingly at the basket, took my six dollars and asked me if I wanted it wrapped. I wished them a good day as I put it into the bubble wrap in my shoulder bag.

    At the bus stop I pulled out the trusty, travel-everwhere loupe and went looking for a signature. There is none. No mark at all. I suspect the “someone upstairs in the sorting room” had not found one either. It is not in good nick, there is corrosion and over-zealous cleaning has revealed the copper base beneath. But the design fascinated me. Six dollars worth of pleasure in itself!

    When I got home I cleaned it up a bit and found even more potential beneath the silver oxide. But no marks at all. No made in Germany, England ….. nothing.

    A mystery item for CW!

    Off to google and the first search I put in was: “art nouveau plated silver bread”. Bingo! First line in images gave me a reference to a 2006 auction at Christies with the same design on a plate. My basket has a foot and handle.
    “AN ART NOUVEAU SILVER-PLATED BREAD TRAY AND A PEWTER CRUMB TRAY AND BRUSH”
    No mark on these either! (or at least no mention of marks or manufacturers.)

    So over to the CW crew for comments and suggestions.

    Long: 14 ins or 35.6cm.
    Wide: 7.87 ins or 20 cm
    High: 4 ins or 7.5 cm

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    Comments

    1. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks czechman and MSL too!
    2. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks Dr FLUFFY!
    3. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks mikelv, Phil and petey too!
    4. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks Alfredo!
    5. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks to The Roper! How are things in Vàrna?
    6. TheRoper TheRoper, 8 years ago
      Wonderful secession ornaments, typical Art Nouveau style, congratulations!
    7. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Thanks for your kind comment, mate! Love the New Style!
    8. Justanovice Justanovice, 8 years ago
      What a lovely thing!! Love the face and detail - gorgeous!! Wonderful $6 find!
    9. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks Leah, nldionne and Justanovice too for kind comment!
    10. SEAN68 SEAN68, 8 years ago
      STUNNING AND VERY VERY VERY BEAUTIFUL!!!
    11. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks SEAN, GargoYleCollector, lundY and sMiata too!
    12. SEAN68 SEAN68, 8 years ago
      your very welcome Kevin!!!!
    13. fledermaus fledermaus, 8 years ago
      It is very, very nice! What a find.
    14. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks FLEDERMAUS!
    15. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks MANIKIN!
    16. BelleEpoque BelleEpoque, 8 years ago
      very WMF in style. Lovely, what a find!
    17. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks Deanteaks and BELLEépoque too!
    18. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      many thanks TOM61375!
    19. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks sarahHoff and Ho2cultcha too!
    20. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks INKY!
    21. cogito cogito, 8 years ago
      Very nice find! I find it interesting (and possibly a clue) that the female faces are not rendered in the typical serene type Art Nouveau fashion. They almost have a Gothic quality in their face/expressions. Whenever there is a mix of styles/motifs in predominantly Art Nouveau pieces, I generally start thinking about England or the Americas. Maybe its even local?
    22. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Thanks for these comments cogito! I know what you mean about the expression on the faces. I had not thought of a local/Australian origin. The fact that the other plate was in the States may be an indicator of a US maker. I really thought there would have been a mark.
    23. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      The Christies version is here:
      http://www.christies.com/lotFinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=4849529
    24. cogito cogito, 8 years ago
      I wonder if there's any significance that at the bottom of the Christies page listing they have it classified in the "20th Century British Art" Department?
    25. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Yes, I noted that too!
    26. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      The Peitschenhieb/Whiplash is down fairly pat .... but the mask is more a grotesque. You are right.
    27. toracat toracat, 8 years ago
      Really Special!! In one photo looks kind of like silver over copper?! Love this!!
    28. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks Don. I think it's copper as you say!
    29. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks LEAH! Hope everyone's well!
    30. Zowie Zowie, 8 years ago
      I think it's great I also have a thing for the Art Nouveau style, do you ever get to the markets in the western suburbs as when I lived there I often seen wonderful pieces but back then I was not into collecting as such then. Another good score I hope you & your partner are doing well.
    31. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks Zowie!
    32. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks TOM61375!
    33. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks NICOLEJERELEN and AMPHORAPOTTERY too!
    34. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks TRUNKMAN !
    35. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks AGRAM!
    36. Roycroftbooksfromme1, 8 years ago
      Love the story ..love the basket...
    37. Roycroftbooksfromme1, 8 years ago
      my friend had a plating shop before epa shut him down years ago ...i would work on his gear from time to time ..and he always said no matter what you plate with nickel ,silver or gold.. you have to start with copper plating as a base first on any kind of metal ..if that helps any ...lol
    38. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks ROYCROFTBOOKSFROMME1!
      Thanks you for these comments.
      I'm going to leave it as is.
      At the moment its got some beaded glass fruits in it!
    39. AmberRose AmberRose, 8 years ago
      I wish I could help V but I don't know much about silver. I do know enough to have snapped it up for $6 though! Great piece. Looks like Christies didn't know too much either.
      Great picture of you as well!
    40. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks AMBER!
    41. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks AMBER & BRATJDD too!
    42. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks BIGTEX!
    43. scottvez scottvez, 8 years ago
      Silverplate doesn't have a lot of appreciation among a lot of antique dealers. I am a HUGE FAN-- prices are usually cheap. I buy it whenever I can.

      Thanks for sharing your beauty.

      scott
    44. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks SCOTTV.
      I totally agree.
      Bullion or not the object is a piece if design.

      Silver bullion value is minimal at any rate.
    45. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks AmandaA!
    46. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks theROPER!
    47. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks NORDICMAN!
    48. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 8 years ago
      Nice mystery! I am very ignorant, so please forgive my comments. Firstly, agree with you and Cogito that face is not typical Art Nouveau Belle Femme. To me 'she' looks a bit like an older Lewis Carroll, though I'm not suggesting that this is intended as a portrait of said author. Secondly, don't the Nouveau elements seem sortof 'floppy' or 'off'? Not that it's not attractive!, but that it's not that incisive whiplash and attenuation that one sees in the best Nouveau pieces. (No insult intended!) My comments offered in the spirit of a detective hunt. Thirdly, if it's English, shouldn't it be marked? I am very ignorant, but I thought that during the period in which this was likely made or imported that English silverplate goods were routinely marked. Is this assumption correct or incorrect? If so, it seems more likely, without other evidence, that this would be American. Fourthly, why is Christie's calling this a "bread basket"? Again, I am very ignorant, but in USA bread serving dishes of the period do not have handles - or usually do not. I think it could be called a basket in USA without handles, but think it more likely that it would have been called a "cake basket" it both England and USA with handle. Feedback on fourth point requested, please. Fifthly, what are Christie's grounds for classifying this - at least tentatively - as "British"? Did you ask, vetraio? Thanks!
    49. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 8 years ago
      P.s., Signing off for the night, but wanted to mention that this form of vessel is originally English, I think. Possible that it was the form of the vessel that prompted Christie's to place it in the "British" category.
    50. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Hi miKKo!
      I never did ask them at Christies.

      Love the Lewis Carroll reference.
      Very dreamy!
    51. miKKoChristmas11 miKKoChristmas11, 8 years ago
      Hi, Vetraio! I have to apologize! Sigh, I am so tactless sometimes!!! The point of my comments on 'floppy whiplash', non-Belle-Femmes, and lack of mark, was an attempt to provide a rudimentary and preliminary 'evidenciary complex' to suggest that this was perhaps of American rather than English origin. I took a brief look for this piece, and couldn't find it. Very attractive cake basket!...Happy New Year!!! : )
    52. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Thanks miKKo ....... deflated for a minute or so and then got on with it!

      Happy New Year!
    53. Zowie Zowie, 8 years ago
      At the moment I cannot understand why all the old ones are coming back in, I have so many to get through, just slack.
    54. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Many thanks Zowie!

      And you stay safe and cool!
    55. Zowie Zowie, 8 years ago
      I'm sure you know it's a pleasure. Been to many markets lately or are they closed still for the festive season
    56. vetraio50 vetraio50, 8 years ago
      Went to the Wentworth Park Collectors monthly last Sunday. Pretty dull. Only bought one item that I put up a couple of days ago. Most of the markets don't really get started until the auction houses open again in mid January.
    57. Aimathena Aimathena, 7 years ago
      Its gorgeous Kev. I loved that Christies link
    58. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 years ago
      Many thanks ANNELANDERS 'n AIMATHENA too!
    59. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 years ago
      Many thanks TRUTHISANARROW !!!!!
    60. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 7 years ago
      This is beautiful vet! I didn't have time to look at all the posts so I don't know how great of a deal you got...yet! I can imagine you did real good tho if Christies had it!
    61. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 years ago
      Many thanks SHAREURPASSION!!!
    62. vetraio50 vetraio50, 7 years ago
      Many thanks ARTDECOGIRL!!!!!
    63. vetraio50 vetraio50, 3 years ago
      Many thanks HO2CULTCHA & DLPETERSEN !!!!!!
    64. vetraio50 vetraio50, 1 year ago
      Many thanks MALKEY !.!!.!.!!.!

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