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LOETZ ONYX Marmorierte ...1887-1888 ((Gi-Gantor))

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Loetz Art Glass1046 of 2116Loetz at the Bröhan Museum, BerlinLOETZ CANDIA PAPILLION PINCHED SQUAT VASE IRIDESCENT,Circa 1899
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    Posted 5 years ago

    inky
    (210 items)

    My Loetz marmoriertes glass 'gi-gantor' vase.

    Are you aloud to call something 'monumental' when it isn't over 13 inches or taller?..because in my world of vases this vase most! definitely is...
    A 'milky marble'...with smokey light brown to dark chocolate swirls.
    It is the shape and just about the size of a rugby ball weighing in at.. just!! under... 4.4 lbs or two kilos...

    And is...
    7 inches tall
    10.1/2 in diameter
    7.1/2 inches wide

    The detail on the gilt metal collar around the rim is simple but! elegant, the mount it sits in is lovely and makes up for it with more detail. The acanthus leaves feet splay out and look as if they are really! struggling with the weight of it all!...

    Everything about it is perfect and it is a fabulous thing..I love it!! and am thrilled to have, I can't wait to be able to place it and give it pride of place in my new home!

    I have had this vase now for quite a while but! and I would like thank a good friend who with out their help meant! I saved paying an absorbent amount of shipping ...thank you!!...;-)

    Sorry! about the reflection seen on the surface...and thank you for looking!

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    Comments

    1. kyratango kyratango, 5 years ago
      Wow! Hoping no one will play rugby with it ;-)
    2. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Hi! kyratango...Thank you and don't know about that, after all this is 'All Black' country!!!...;)
    3. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
      What the HELL !!!
      MARMOR!!!
      WOW !!!
    4. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Lol!!! .... vetraio50... You had me racing to see if I has spelt it wrong....:-)))).... thank you..:-)
    5. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Many thanks agh!....:-)
    6. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
      Those beautiful swirls !!!!!
      Wonderfully cloudy Hellmarmor !!!!
    7. racer4four racer4four, 5 years ago
      Well I could say it's just OK but I would just prove myself an idiot.
      Another exceptional vase in the sticky hands of Inky!!!
    8. Alan2310 Alan2310, 5 years ago
      An absolute beauty, well done inky.
      Alan
    9. mikelv85 mikelv85, 5 years ago
      It's incredible inky !....Oh to find something like that in my neck of the woods. I can tell you're beside yourself with joy :) Great find !
    10. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Hi racer4four..you can say it's ok!.. I know!!! you are not an idiot and so do all the others...far from it!!.. Many thanks!...:-)
    11. jscott0363 jscott0363, 5 years ago
      Very beautiful indeed!!!
    12. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Many thanks for stopping and commenting Alan always a pleasure to see you!...:-)
    13. kivatinitz kivatinitz, 5 years ago
      Really a very elegant vase Inky
    14. welzebub, 5 years ago
      This is a really large piece of stunning glass...... It is a beauty..... Nice find!!
    15. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 5 years ago
      Wow! I meant WOW!!
    16. Rick55 Rick55, 5 years ago
      OMG inky.. I've never seen anything like it!! Wonderful, wonderful piece of art glass!!!
    17. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
      INKY ... can I ask a question? Truitt I loosely refers to Loetz creating three different colours of Marmorierte Glas: Carneol, Onyx and Malachite.

      Is this a example of Onyx?

      Or is Hellmarmor a different decor?

    18. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Hi! vetraio50...when I first received I had the same question!..I looked back and forth.. back and forth on Loetz.com...and they are so alike..I ended up asking a few people their thoughts and it's what we decided on in the end..maybe we could have a show of hands...of course as you can imagine I would be quite happy with either but! would like to have it correct!!...here are the two from Loetz.com..with a bit of luck they will weigh and confirm it for us!...:-))

      http://loetz.com/decors-a-z/hellmarmor
      http://loetz.com/decors-a-z/onyx
    19. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
      I agree. I was hoping that someone could explain the difference between the two. Is Onyx a red or a brown? Is the difference that Hellmarmor includes pink?
    20. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
      The thing that has struck me about the Marmoriete pieces ..... now that I have one .... is how they resemble highly polished marble. It's the high gloss polished look that really intrigues me !
    21. inky inky, 5 years ago
      If we are not talking about backgrounds the 'Onyx" leans towards having pink/red with the brown more than the Hellmarmor...which is why I felt it more likely mine to be 'Hellmarmor'...it has no pink and 'seems' to be darker than the 'Onyx'..
    22. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Yes!..very highly polished hard to take a photo with reflections!!
    23. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Sorry! that was meant to read.."without reflections"...:0/
    24. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      OMG!!! Gorgeous, Anytime you want to trade :)
    25. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
      See I was looking at the Loetz.com description for Hellmarmor and they say:

      "White opal ground marbled with cloudy white, pink and light brown. One of the marbled glass series of décors. The names translates as 'pale marble'."

      and for the Onyx:
      "White or light green opal ground marbled with brown and green-brown threads, imitating onyx stone. Together with Carneol, the most widespread of Loetz marbled glass. Usually painted with gold and/or enamel, sometimes in Islamic designs."

      and Carneol:
      "White opal ground marbled with a dense layer of salmon-pink or red threads, imitating carnelian stone. Usually painted with gold and/or enamel, sometimes in Islamic designs."

      I agree yours has no pink. To my eye yours is more Onyx than Hellmarmor.
      They have some really dark examples of Onyx.
    26. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Yes!..I have to agree but! was also looking on mine for a tad of green somewhere and I have none...will change it to Onyx for now and hopefully someone!!! who knows might like to share their thoughts and knowledge might jump in and help out!!!...:-)
    27. vetraio50 vetraio50, 5 years ago
      Well let's see what the others say !!!
    28. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 5 years ago
      gorgeous!
    29. Manikin Manikin, 5 years ago
      Inky your glassware always is top notch and you do have a eye for gorgeous ! very stunning . Hope all is well with you miss chatting xo
    30. Vintagefran Vintagefran, 5 years ago
      I'd call it Monumental! It's gorgeous Inky.
    31. SteveS SteveS, 5 years ago
      Hi Inky
      Think you have it right at this point ... With the dark brown lines should go to Onyx ... Did not want to ruin Vet50's opening comments ...
      The lighter Color on the back is actually quite close to what Hellmarmor looks like ... More a pastel faun over white ... Has been posted here before I think ...
      p.s. As the person owning the story you are able to delete serious typo's
      :-)
    32. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 5 years ago
      Without diving into the hellmarmor vs onyx question - to make matters more cloudy, on one of the paper pattern for Series I- (PN I-700), it is clearly written on the drawing "hellonyx"

      Truitt mentions Carneol, Onyx, and Malachite, but Loetz Bohemian Glass 1880-1940 (Cantz) mentions Onyx, Crneol, Malachit, Lapis lazuli, Hellmarmor "and others" - which are mentioned in other sources. A review of the Paris Exposition Universelle mentions Chamaeleon, a "golden-red and appled -green", and the paper patterns also have names like Achat, Serpentin, and Jaspis. There is also Green Onyx, of which I have an example, and there have been examples posted here on CW.

      Personally, I have no problem calling Penny's piece onyx, hellonyx, or even hellmarmor. The color gradations from piece to piece vary widely, and at the end of the day, it's a very nice piece of Loetz marmoriertes glass.
    33. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 5 years ago
      I notice I had a few nasty typos myself... sucks getting older
    34. SEAN68 SEAN68, 5 years ago
      stunning!!
    35. Roycroftbooksfromme1 Roycroftbooksfromme1, 5 years ago
      how about ....Wow what an eye full
    36. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 5 years ago
      inky, I just saw this post for the first time - wow!! This piece is Amazing! I have never heard of a piece of marmoriertes glass this large - and this beautiful. It is just stunning. The colors are so very elegant, and I can't think of a nicer place for it to be than in your collection.
    37. Justanovice Justanovice, 5 years ago
      Hell's Teeth!!!! Inky, how did I miss this one!!! I am almost a fortnight late with my comment!! It's a humdinger!!!!!! But a beautiful one!!
    38. PostCardCollector PostCardCollector, 5 years ago
      OH LORDY! LORDY! LORDY! TOO BEAUTIFUL!!!
    39. AnneLanders AnneLanders, 5 years ago
      well you know I've been a bit busy with "stuff"..this is gorgeous...epic piece..
      and yes, monumental indeed
    40. twentiethcentury twentiethcentury, 5 years ago
      Oh man, what a piece! Stunning.
    41. Peasejean55 Peasejean55, 5 years ago
      What a lovely piece.
    42. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
      Not a "Glass" person, but this "WOW"
    43. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Hi Kerry, so nice to see you....thank! you..hope you are well?...:-)
    44. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
      You're very welcome.....and you'll be seeing more of me.....house mouse for a few weeks/months.....Doctors tell me to hang out and do nothing, lol, they don't know what they're asking
    45. inky inky, 5 years ago
      I wish!!!!! ... I am finding it hard to get on and say hello to everyone...we are at the painting inside and deciding on stuff stage in our newly built house....but it's all good and enjoying it....you do as the doctors say now!!!!..ok!??.... :-)))
    46. kerry10456 kerry10456, 5 years ago
      LOL, okay I'll try.
      New house is always a big chore to get every little thing caught up. I need to do some of that stuff too....on old house, but won't be doing much for a while....
      You have good time getting settled in and don't work to hard
    47. surfdub66 surfdub66, 5 years ago
      Beautiful inky !! Love it :-)
    48. robin56 robin56, 5 years ago
      Beautiful!!!!!
    49. blunderbuss2 blunderbuss2, 5 years ago
      Penny, seems like you are going for a CW record. I'll try to call & harass you & Ralph next week! LOL!
    50. Findings, 6 months ago
      as the old fella would say who lived on the hill,, winner winner chicken dinner..lol so lovely ...
    51. inky inky, 6 months ago
      Thanks Findings, I still marvel at the size of it!..:-)

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