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Rindskopf Amethyst Cobalt Papillon Gold Mount Vase 9"

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Moonstonelov…'s loves3 of 309Early Loetz Heliotrope PN. I-1808, Dek I/4 Enamelled  Ribbed Vase c1890Loetz Candia Papillon Oil Spot Iridescent Ball Footed Vase
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    Posted 5 years ago

    Moonstonel…
    (765 items)

    This was a piece I could not have passed up. I was in love with at first site. This beauty is my first Rindskopf Papillon vase in my very first metal holder. The holder is stunning...and the Papillon just POPS! I think this won't be the last metal holder that I acquire.
    I hope you enjoy!

    Special thanks to Warren for finding this listing...

    http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/24703558_vase-mit-metallmontierung

    Comments

    1. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Brat, I cannot stop staring at it myself....in awe! I feel so blessed!
    2. Thoscahaba Thoscahaba, 5 years ago
      I love this!
    3. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Gary, adjusted the listing...ty
    4. Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 5 years ago
      Gorgeous Lee - good for you! :)
    5. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Gary, Rindskopf is correct :)
    6. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Gary, I asked the Big Wigs before posting.... :))
    7. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Thomas, very happy with the vase...was surprised to see that is was even nicer in real..xo
    8. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 5 years ago
      Pretty sure I have a pulled feather piece in the same shape, but I won't be able to photograph it until tomorrow night.
    9. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Warren, mega thanks for being so on top of helping me!!!!
    10. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 5 years ago
      Any time
    11. lundy lundy, 5 years ago
      ha nice piece hun xo
    12. Aimathena Aimathena, 5 years ago
      Its gorgeous, congrats Lee. I love the metal and double handles.
    13. mikelv85 mikelv85, 5 years ago
      How incredible is that ! The holder is like a picture frame on a work of art.
    14. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      John, thank you sweetie!!!
    15. manddmoir manddmoir, 5 years ago
      love these - but I'm almost more interested in the construction -any chance of pictures of the ties at the back holding on the metalwork? -there appear to be distinct types of fastenings - suggesting different metal companies.
    16. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      manddmoir, I added more pictures that have just taken
    17. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Bob, thanks for loving!
    18. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Amy, love this one...very much!
    19. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Mike, you are so right about the metal looking like an antique frame!! XO
    20. jagsrock95 jagsrock95, 5 years ago
      AWESOME... I want one! I love this!
    21. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      jags, I did too..so I had to get this one!!!
    22. smiata smiata, 5 years ago
      Absolutely gorgeous!!!! Wish I had one setting on my mantle. Maybe one of these days. Great piece!!
    23. inky inky, 5 years ago
      Speachles...:-)
    24. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Phil, many thanks. I agree :))
    25. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      smiata, I stare at it all day...it makes me smile :)
    26. Zowie Zowie, 5 years ago
      I can understand the love at first site it got a oooh out of me it would put a smile on my face also. Well done.
    27. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      inky, me too...still....XOXOX
    28. kyratango kyratango, 5 years ago
      Sooo beautiful! Love all of it, and the iridescent color, Mmmm!
    29. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      kyratango, this reminds me of Opals :))
    30. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Don, many thanks
    31. austrohungaro austrohungaro, 5 years ago
      How could i miss this one???? i love it!!!
    32. Zowie Zowie, 5 years ago
      austrohungaro you should see the rest of her site.
    33. austrohungaro austrohungaro, 5 years ago
      I know, she's got such an amazing collection, and lately it's becoming an incredible one!!!!
    34. Zowie Zowie, 5 years ago
      It sure is she is one in a million has made me feel so welcome on this site & helped were she could. Great bunch of people on this site.
    35. austrohungaro austrohungaro, 5 years ago
      Sure there is Zowie!
    36. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Gary, thank you for your thought..but this one is Rindskopf...:))))
    37. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Gary, shapes can be shared or duplicated...and decors are not....
    38. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Gary & Leah, take a good look......and please don't comment on my postings unless you have real evidence...thank you.
    39. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Craig, I see the differences in shape...and will concur with you. Anyone can see that!
    40. Zowie Zowie, 5 years ago
      czechman & Lee looking at this post now side by side czechmans looks thicker in the neck or is that just my eyes.
    41. bohemianglassandmore bohemianglassandmore, 5 years ago
      Wow - what a flurry. Far too few things are certain in our world, aren't they? With that in mind... we have to concede that some decors are certainly duplicated between companies, as are shapes. I can show you a Loetz line drawing that matches a Rindskopf vase precisely, down to the proportions, angles, and size. But the Rindskopf vase that comes in this shape is in no decor ever done by Loetz... we (reasonably) think.

      The shapes in this exercise are similar, but to my eye there are three different shapes, and no two are identical. For a comparison of the yellow one to Lee's vase, look no further that where the flared rim meets the body of the vase. The yellow one meets at a sharp angle - Lee's is more contoured. The Dr. Fischer example certainly has a thicker neck, and doesn't flare out at the bottom as much, but the metal mounts are the same. What does that prove about the glass? Probably nothing.

      With regard to the yellow "barber bottle" - I am far from convinced that the stopper in this piece is original. It doesn't make sense to me to put a stopper in the mouth of a piece like this - it might fit, but the flared rim, it would seem to me, would be destroyed in no time. Setting that aside, and conceding for a moment that the shapes are similar, couldn't you then just as easily hypothesize that the yellow vase is also by Rindskopf? By what basis would you call it Kralik? Or anything else for that matter?

      In the case of Lee's vase, we have a dark blue oilspot that Rinsdkopf is known for in a metal mount that at least one pretty smart guy (not me) is sure was used by Rindskopf (even if the shape was a little different). Gary is right that we should know the relative sizes of these pieces in order to account for variations in proportion.

      In summary, I think there is more here to suggest that Lee's vase is Rindskopf than any other maker (show me the Kralik decor that matches this piece - I've never seen it in the "Kralik decor index" or anywhere else). If anyone can prove otherwise, we who thought Rindskopf can stand corrected and we'll all have learned a lesson - if not, then isn't our idea at least as good as yours?

      P.S. I don't think we should be in the business of condescending and talking about someone on the thread in third person, as though they weren't even there. That's bad form, to say the least.
    42. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      austrohungaro & Zowie, you are wonderful and kind...thank you!!! XO
    43. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Craig, good point.....thanks for the examples!
    44. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Warren, I agree and still learning to watch and read. Thank you for your opinion and insight.... :)
    45. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      tom, thanks for loving!!
    46. Lise Lise, 5 years ago
      Gorgeous :)
    47. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Lise, what a wonderful comment!!!
    48. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      MacArt, many thanks
    49. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      racer4four & Don, many thanks!!!
    50. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      nutsabotas6, XOXOXO thank you!!!
    51. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Don, many thanks
    52. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      magdalenagirl & David, many thanks
    53. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      manddmoir & vetrissimo, many thanks!!!!
    54. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      antiques-in-nj & geo26e, many thanks
    55. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      mikelv85 & LoetzBuddies, many thanks!!!
    56. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Petey, xoxo
    57. antiquerose antiquerose, 5 years ago
      Loving it again.............and STILL !!
    58. Moonstonelover.jr Moonstonelover.jr, 5 years ago
      Love this Mommy...XOXOXOX
    59. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 5 years ago
      Moonie, love you baby...xo
    60. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      rniederman, many thanks!
    61. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      sarahoff, many thanks
    62. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      antiquerose, XOXOX thank you
    63. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 4 years ago
      Excellent collection!!! Love love it :)
    64. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      Shareurpassion, I am humbled and happy you love my collection. Thank you!!!!
    65. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      Moonie, I know this is special to you Baby. Love you!
    66. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      Jewels, many thanks!!!
    67. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      Pops52, many thanks!!!
    68. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      ho2cultcha, many thanks
    69. shareurpassion shareurpassion, 4 years ago
      Just had to love this again!
    70. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      sue, many thanks!!
    71. welzebub welzebub, 4 years ago
      A couple of things.

      1) Mounts simply point in most cases to a refiner or metal maker. Generally, my ecperience is that they rarely point to a glass house.....
      2) Utilizing auction houses as attribution sources is a bad habit to fall in to. Some are better than others, but the vast majority are notoriously bad at Bohemian glass attributions.
      3) I am curious as to a description of the difference between Kralik and Poschinger Helios that would allow people to tell the difference. Also curious if anyone else that you know of made a Helios style decor?
    72. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      Ho2cultcha, many thanks for the love!!
    73. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      GlueChip, many thanks for the love!!!
    74. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 4 years ago
      Sergey, many thanks
    75. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
      LaurelH, many thanks
    76. Moonstonelover21 Moonstonelover21, 3 years ago
      Jscott63, many thanks

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